Knowing Who You Are is Knowing What You Are’ with the author of ‘Pictures of The Soul’ David Green

David is the author of two books, A Book About You and Pictures of Your Soul. He is also a composer, musician, inventor, teacher, and speaker.

In this episode, David shared how we can remove distractions in our life and develop soul awareness.

David talks about the principles in the bible that we can learn and apply to remove distraction. This means we must practice removing ourselves from daily routines, friends, environment, and social pressure.

David also talks about the five levels of the soul and how each level makes up our body. And understanding the anatomy of the soul will help us develop soul awareness.

David advises writing the five most important points of awareness and meditating and feeling them. Once done enough, it becomes a part of you. And you will live with that awareness.

David Green’s story is an inspirational story of one who walks on the path with a childish dream but ultimately pursues life towards happiness with God.

This episode of The Beyond Adversity Podcast is a must-listen for anyone who wants to find happiness—those who want to live and enjoy the life God has given us.

“The Beyond Adversity Podcast with Dr. Brad Miller is published weekly with the mission of helping people “Grow Through What They Go Through” as they navigate adversity and discover their promised life of peace, prosperity and purpose.


Dr. Brad Miller 0:00

Yeah, let's talk for a second about what you mean, specifically

Dr. Brad Miller 0:04

in terms of apical to other people, excluding the

Dr. Brad Miller 0:07

distraction, and digging for the gold, as you say here,

Dr. Brad Miller 0:11

it seems to me we're talking about clarity and focus,

Dr. Brad Miller 0:15

and disciplines of in helping these things to help get a

Dr. Brad Miller 0:21

separation between the distraction and to our inner life.

Dr. Brad Miller 0:24

So what are some of the, you know, practices and principles?

Dr. Brad Miller 0:28

So what are some of the habits that people can apply

Dr. Brad Miller 0:32

from your teaching that can help us to exclude the distraction

Dr. Brad Miller 0:36

and go for the gold as you say.

David Green 0:39

it's interesting, the first two words that were said to

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the very first Jew is to Abraham, Lekh lekha, which means

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go to yourself. Now, when the first time you hear a word

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said to somebody in the Bible, it has tremendous significance.

David Green 0:59

It's, every word has significance. But the fact that those

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were the first two words said to Abraham, he's telling us

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a very important principle of life. And one is go, which

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means remove yourself from the distraction of the home

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he grew up with, which, which was a home of idol worship,

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and he had to leave that environment. And then he had

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to go to yourself, which is an inner process of discovering

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who he was. So there's removal of distraction is something

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that we need to practice, we need to move ourselves

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away from where our friends, our environment, or social pressure,

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if you have the opportunity to go to a different location

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that's even greater, like when I went to Israel, I moved to a

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different environment where the value system is different.

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So removing yourself from their daily routine, and if it

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means just having to go into your own room, and

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close your eyes, and try to meditate on removing all the noise.

David Green 2:04

That ation is that is a process of the left, the Go removing

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way that distraction. And, and people do that on a surface

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level with mindfulness meditation, they become aware

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of their breathing, they become more aware of their body.

David Green 2:20

That's the first level, but the soul has five levels to it. And

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when when God created man, He breathed five levels

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of the soul into man. And the first level, which which starts

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with the word, "he", the letter "he" which is the fifth letter

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of the Jewish alphabet, the Hebrew alphabet, and it

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makes the sound like the breathing sound, okay,

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so when God, God breathed the five levels of the soul into

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man, he made the sound, which is the five levels going into

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man, he, is the fifth letter of the of the Hebrew alphabet

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which represents those five levels, the lowest level is

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called the nephesh. And that's the first thing to tune into it,

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which is removing the distraction and tuning into the

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nephesh level of the Soul. And the nephesh, that level of the

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soul resides within the blood. And that means that's why

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you feel your soul all around your body. Even though the soul

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wants to rise up like a like a wick and a flame. It stays

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connected to the wick, as it says in Proverbs, that the soul

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of man is like the candle of God, the the soul is in you,

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it's within your body. But at the same time, it's always trying

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to rise and reconnect to its source to our Father in heaven.

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So person tunes in to the soul, especially starting with the

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nephesh level, which is connected to the body, we can start

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to remove the distractions and tune in to the basic

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functionality of or awareness of the soul, then what

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we do is move to the next level, which is called the roof,

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the roof is the spirits level of the Soul, which is somewhat

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of a scary place to go because it's connected to infinity.

David Green 4:19

So when I move into there, it's called, I call that the empty

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spaces, which is the title of my second album. And if you

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listen to empty spaces, you'll see it's a meditation that takes

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you into a place, which is empty, which is infinite. And you

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have to surrender and go into a place of what

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seems like total darkness.

Dr. Brad Miller 4:40

For me, the cat could keep up with you here. Now the first

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level is to kind of connect with the body, the blood and the

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breath and so on. And the second level is basically to empty self

Dr. Brad Miller 4:50

in order to be at I'm assuming maybe we're going to move

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towards reception here. But am I tracking

Dr. Brad Miller 4:54

with you here David?

David Green 4:57

The first first level is that you It's not, it's the part of the

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soul that connects to the body, and still as a spiritual thing.

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But in the Bible in a number of places, it says that damn,

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who had nephesh, that blood is the nephesh, it doesn't mean

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that it is the soul, it means that's the first level of the Soul.

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So that's why as your blood moves all around the body, right,

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that's also the nephesh, moving all around the body,

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in my book, pictures of your soul, I actually have illustrations

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of what happens from the right ventricle of the heart to the

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left ventricle of heart, how that goes to the brain. It's a complex

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process, but people by learning that it actually heightens your

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awareness of the soul. But the soul is connected to the blood,

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but it's a separate entity, but that's how it moves through the

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body through the blood. And that's it feel this, that how could

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this spiritual thing this soul be held in a body? Which is a

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physical thing? That's a contradiction, a spiritual thing within

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a physical space? And yes, yes, the answer is yes, it is within

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the physical space, because it's connected to the blood, then

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when you move to the next level to the roof, now you're

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above the blood blood, you're above the body, it's still connected

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to the nephesh. And that's why it's still within us. But it's

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connected to the next level, which is the the nephesh is connected,

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almost like, like a chain like a link to the next level. And each

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level of the soul is connected like a chain up to the highest levels.

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The the there's the next level is called the neshamah, which is,

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resides within the brain, which is why the brain has so

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much of the central part of the navigation of a human being.

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And then there's levels above that called Hyah, and Yoshida

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which are well beyond our comprehension but sometimes

Dr. Brad Miller 6:54

So we've gotten body to the emptiness, the and the soul,

Dr. Brad Miller 6:58

and then the brain into these higher levels of consciousness.

Dr. Brad Miller 7:02

And can you talk a little bit in your in your work about

Dr. Brad Miller 7:05

achieving our unique personalities and become a, how this

Dr. Brad Miller 7:09

helps us find our mission and our place in the world?

Dr. Brad Miller 7:11

Is that part about actually that?

David Green 7:16

The what I've been describing is more the anatomy of the soul.

David Green 7:20

And if that's very important for a person to develop soul awareness,

David Green 7:27

and my book picture, your soul, that's the whole idea of it is

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that it's just a number of questions where people would think

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you can't answer them because there's sounds like, like a

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ontradiction. But in fact, we we learn about what the soul is

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from the ideas that this book is written based on what's

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called the Tanya, which is a Hasidic masterpiece. So

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the book is more of a meditative process of becoming aware

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of the different levels of your soul, and how to deal with

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various struggles and things like that. My other book

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is called a book about you, which is about individuality

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and knowing your purpose in life. Different focus.

Dr. Brad Miller 8:09

So what you're teaching her hair is teaching us here is to

Dr. Brad Miller 8:13

understand our soul, understand the physiological, spiritual,

Dr. Brad Miller 8:20

almost metaphysical, if you will, aspects of everything here

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that we're talking about here. And how that then helps form

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us, our personalities, and us as people as beings that are

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spiritual and physical at the same time, then helps lead us to

Dr. Brad Miller 8:37

some direction of meaningfulness in life. And so what I'm getting

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at here, David is so many people have a sense of meaning

Dr. Brad Miller 8:43

less Thus, in life. You've mentioned some of the people we

Dr. Brad Miller 8:47

work with students, you had your own moments of depression,

Dr. Brad Miller 8:49

and so on and searching for meaningfulness. I certainly

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have had that many of our listeners have had that situation.

Dr. Brad Miller 8:55

You're I call it the malaise of mediocrity, you kind of feel like

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you're just stuck. So how can we use what you're teaching

Dr. Brad Miller 9:01

here to help people get unstuck, to get onto something that is

Dr. Brad Miller 9:05

meaningful and purposeful in their life? I'm talking about some

Dr. Brad Miller 9:08

practical applications here of what you're teaching it.

Dr. Brad Miller 9:11

Don't get me wrong, what you're teaching is wonderful and

Dr. Brad Miller 9:14

practical. But I'm talking about some some day to day

Dr. Brad Miller 9:17

disciplines, some people might be able to fly.

David Green 9:20

Well, I think that one of the things that we have to deal

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with is the fact that our emotional and spiritual memory is

David Green 9:32

very short. Which means that inspiration is not meant to be

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something that that you get and you walk away with

David Green 9:43

and it's you can hold on to it. Even the Jews on Mount

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Sinai experienced the giving of the Bible of the 10 commandments

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and then committed the goal of the golden calf soon after.

David Green 9:56

So spiritual spiritual inspiration is something that But you

David Green:

can't just expect to stay with you. And therefore, it should

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function more as, as a glimpse of where you want to go.

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We need to be inspired. But we can't walk away from inspiration

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expecting that to be what's going to hold us up, it's only

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there as a preview of where you're supposed to climb to.

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So what to do is, every day, a person should go through the

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process of reminding themselves of what was inspirational,

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or find the inspiration to then use as a vision to strive towards.

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And so the way we do that, in Jewish practice, is prayer.

David Green:

Because prayer is divided up into the appreciation of different

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categories of things in life that are very important to remember.

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So if if a person were to sit down and write down, what are the

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five most important principles that if they could walk around

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with every day, that would transform their life, because they

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would be able to live with that awareness. Write them down

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and put them in your pocket, and take them out and read them

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at least three times a day. Because although it may sound

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simple, like, the fact is that if there truly are deep values that

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they really believe in, if it's a type of awareness, they really

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want to try to achieve, then you have to be honest with yourself,

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that there's temptations around us that pull us away from those

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things. There's depression that pulls us away from those things.

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There's various challenges in life that are going to make it hard for

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you to focus on those things. So treat yourself the way you would

David Green:

teach somebody else. Give yourself an assignment of writing

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down, what are the things that I think are the five most

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important points of awareness, and then take it out and

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meditate on it? Look at the think about them, try to feel them.

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And if you do that enough, it then becomes a part of you.

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And you live with that awareness.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Yeah, I think what you're sharing here is really, a so good.

Dr. Brad Miller:

This one's good to revisit this on a regular basis

Dr. Brad Miller:

several times a day, you mentioned, praying several times

Dr. Brad Miller:

a day, you mentioned writing some things down or

Dr. Brad Miller:

rereading them. Like, it's important because you know,

Dr. Brad Miller:

we have to have not only the inspiration and the motivation,

Dr. Brad Miller:

but we have to have the discipline to keep doing that and keep

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going. I'm, I'm always inspired by the biblical story of Moses

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and the promised land, and the journey out of slavery

Dr. Brad Miller:

through the wilderness, over 40 years to get to the promised

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land. Of course, Moses ever really gets to the promised land, it

Dr. Brad Miller:

gets to see it. But the point is, is that, you know, they had all

Dr. Brad Miller:

kinds of issues and troubles along the way, when they forgot

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their mission and their purpose and their vision. Along the

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way, because it's a hard road life is a hard road. And many

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difficult things come into mind as a distraction. But you have

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to have that vision of the promised land out there. And that's

Dr. Brad Miller:

part of what you do. You're given us your.

David Green:

Another another important point that's related to this is that

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God really gave us two souls. He gave us what's called the

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divine soul, which is pure, and is the Tanya, which I quoted

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before, says that the divine soul is like a piece of God is we

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have this piece of godliness with us. That's the thing that

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I was saying, you have to dig for gold, that divine soul. And

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it wants to do everything that God says is we should do in this

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world. But then the animal soul is there, which is its basic

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nature is like that of an animal. It it wants to breathe, eat,

David Green:

it wants to satisfy its reproductive desires. It's, it's, it's looking

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for, you know, for for animalistic pleasures, and we have

David Green:

that within us. And, but it's a gift that we have that in us

David Green:

but we have to know that when the animal's soul is speaking,

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and when the divine soul is speaking, and that tiny describes

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that really, they are both like battling over a city and the

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city is your body. They both want a body. But even though

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there seems to be at war with each other, the idea is to make

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peace with them. And what happens is that the, the, it's like

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a horse and a rider if the rider is using the horse properly. It

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can take the person the rider to be able to achieve all kinds

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of wonderful God The things, I can deliver food to the poor

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using my horse, I can get there much faster if I use the physical

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horse that's there. So the horse is the horse that the the animal

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side of us is there to use to do good things with if we harness it

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properly. But if the horse gets away on us, then we're going to

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fall off that horse get dragged by the horse. And we'll be pulled

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into all kinds of places we don't want to go. So it'sconsidered a gift.

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And what happens is, people tend to identify with their animal soul.

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And that can be a terrible mistake, one because it'll make

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them do all kinds of things that are below their dignity.

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But the other is begins to cause you to label yourself as bad.

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And if you label yourself as bad, then you will disconnect from

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God because your depression is based on believing that

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you're an animal. And believe you're an animal, then there's

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very little spirit of spirituality for you available, because you're

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only chasing after your loss. And you're, you're looking at yourself

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as a failure all the time. And that depression is something

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that makes people say I give up, right. But if they know

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that it's theirs, there is an animal soul that's making that

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speaking through their heart at that time, then they should

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recognize that they do have the ability

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to overcome it, that the divine says

Dr. Brad Miller:

That maybe we make to go to these deeper places.

David Green:

right, you can go from the lowest place, but know

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that the reason why you fell there is because the

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animal soul took over. And what you have to do is you

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have to work your way back up to be the one in

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control of the animal. So rather than let it control you,

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it's sort of like a There's a story in the Talmud of a king

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who wants to test the sun in order to give them strength

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to withstand various desires. So he hires a prostitute to

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try to seduce the son. It doesn't sound like a very nice

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thing to do. But the prostitute is working for the king.

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So the prostitute doesn't want the the son. But the Son,

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enabling enabling him have the choice to get makes him

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a dignified being. So too, we're given an animal Soul

Dr. Brad Miller:

we're being tested. In this case, it was a test here and

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how we try and make comes into play.

David Green:

Now. That's, that's an easier test to identify. Right?

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Joseph, you know, was tested by the wife of both the fire.

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And he's considered very righteous, because she was so

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beautiful, and he was able to withstand the temptation.

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Drugs and other abusive behavior are easy to identify as

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being something that we don't want. But most theme and

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depression are things that the animal soul can impose upon

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a person, that you don't recognize that that's a negative

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thing that you have to fight against. You identify too much

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with it as being this as me. And as soon as you identify it as

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being me, then that's it's one, the animal soul has one because

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it densify yourself with the animal. So as if that. But in fact, if

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you recognize that the essence of who you are, is the divine

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soul, then you can reattach yourself to the beauty of that

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jewel that's within you.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Sometimes we tend to add something to the effect of,

Dr. Brad Miller:

you know, some people think, you know, we are physical

Dr. Brad Miller:

beings having a divine experience or a spiritual experience.

Dr. Brad Miller:

But what you're here helping us understand is the phrase I

Dr. Brad Miller:

heard and teach you, we're really we're spiritual beings

Dr. Brad Miller:

having a human experience. And we need to understand that

Dr. Brad Miller:

transition there. And so, David, I'd like you to speak for just

Dr. Brad Miller:

a second about anybody who you've been able to be helpful

Dr. Brad Miller:

to through your teaching your writing your music, you've

Dr. Brad Miller:

seen some transitions in them, you know, really interested

Dr. Brad Miller:

in how our teaching here today that you're given us some

Dr. Brad Miller:

great things here giving you practical tips and people tell

Dr. Brad Miller:

us a story about someone that's been touched by your work.

David Green:

There's a number of people who I found going on a path

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that wasn't theirs. And what I was able to do was give them

David Green:

the courage to assess who they really are. And they use my

David Green:

teachings to do with different personality types that are based

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on what's called crested GLORIA And Tiferet which are

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kindness, restraint and harmony which is personified in

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the Bible by Abraham. I Isaac and Jacob, each one of them,

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repaired the world through the attribute, which was a godly

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attribute that they personified. And each one of our souls is

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rooted in one of those. Right? I may be a crescent personality

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in that what my soul thrives on his love and kindness, and

David Green:

you may be a guru or a personality, whose soul thrives on

David Green:

achievement, and discipline and responsibility, right? By helping

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a person discover what the root is of their soul, then they

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can evaluate, Hey, am I living the life of me? Or am I living the

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life of what my parents want me to be? Or that

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society wants me to be. And by using this technique,

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and tacked on my website, there's a personality test

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that shows you the balance of each of these three things.

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And by my book, a book about you, each chapter is about

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one of these personalities with positive and the negative

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traits that come with them. So people become accepting of

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themselves. Like a facet personality is one who loves other

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people, and is a people person, they're extroverted. But they

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also tend to be very late for things because they get distracted

David Green:

by people. So by accepting that negative that comes with the

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positive, then the people come to love themselves much more.

David Green:

And I feel that's the biggest problem I think

David Green:

people face today is a lack of self.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Yeah. lack self esteem and what your work here is going

Dr. Brad Miller:

to help them to do that. And I love to hear all you shared

Dr. Brad Miller:

about how people have been influenced by that. So

Dr. Brad Miller:

David, how can people learn more about you, you've got a

Dr. Brad Miller:

couple of books, you've got music, you've got a website.

Dr. Brad Miller:

I know that some of our listeners are going to want to learn

Dr. Brad Miller:

more about what you're about how can

Dr. Brad Miller:

people learn more about about you?

David Green:

Well, if you go to That's real, you all,

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spelled out you will have links to

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where you can buy my books, like on Amazon, or directly

David Green:

from me. My music can be heard at David H. Green,

David Green:

on Spotify, on Apple Music, you Amazon and all the other

David Green:

streaming services. Or to get a taste of that you can hear

David Green:

this into my songs on my website, there's links to them as well.

David Green:

I have videos there. And previews of my books. On Instagram,

David Green:

it's real dot u dot project. And all the links to everything is on

David Green:

the website itself. So I highly encourage people to go to

David Green:

real you My book, a book about you is just

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released by Morgan, James and publishers. So that's an

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all the major retail outlets, bookstores and online.

David Green:

Everything's on Amazon as well. And my new book pictures

David Green:

of your soul is, is a, what I did was I besides the illustration

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showing how the how the soul works in relationship to the body.

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I found there's a photographer I've known for over 40 years,

David Green:

who has been taking beautiful pictures of people praying at the

David Green:

Western Wall, and fire prayer so that the whole book is interwoven

David Green:

with those photographs to just to be as an inspiration to see

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the soul. And that's why it's called pictures of your soul.

David Green:

You can actually be the soul which people think is too

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abstract. But yet it's very concrete. If you learn more

David Green:

about it, be in touch with it. So I highly.

Dr. Brad Miller:

that's awesome. And you know, I have a picture of myself

Dr. Brad Miller:

at the wheeling Western Wall, as well. It reminded me

Dr. Brad Miller:

of that PowerBooks transplant that I had, we're gonna put

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connections to all of this David and are the

Dr. Brad Miller:

At our website, Dr. Brad And it's been a

Dr. Brad Miller:

fascinating conversation heavier David, I'm sure we'll have

Dr. Brad Miller:

more conversations as we go along. But his book, he's got a

Dr. Brad Miller:

couple of books but pictures of your soul is his latest book.

Dr. Brad Miller:

He also has a book about you. All this is about helping

Dr. Brad Miller:

to discover your own personality and your mission in the

Dr. Brad Miller:

world and your place in the world. By going into a soulful

Dr. Brad Miller:

place and is really helpful to our audience here today.

Dr. Brad Miller:

I'm gonna be on the adversity podcast, David Green,

Dr. Brad Miller:

thank you for being our guest today on beyond diversity.