Michaell is an Austrian-California multimedia Artist, awareness and creativity educator, speaker and author.
Artists who are aware of themselves as artists bring a fresh awareness to their work. To do so, we must first free the boundless art system, whose only desire is to be created and shown to the world, from the ever-dependent economic system, which determines our values.
In this episode, Michaell described how he coped with and overcame various problems in his life, and then has something to teach us about mankind and how we might realize our human potential.
He discusses communicating with the invisible self, the consciousness crisis, and the higher self through artistic expression.
Knowledge that transcends both time and space is wisdom. Wise advice is intangible, but it may be codified in the form of knowledge anchors that can be used by anybody.
Michaell Magrutsche talks to Dr. Brad about how his book “The Smart of Art” came to be in order to assist painters who were having difficulty painting.
“The Beyond Adversity Podcast with Dr. Brad Miller is published weekly with the mission of helping people “Grow Through What They Go Through” as they navigate adversity and discover their promised life of peace, prosperity and purpose.
We have a great artist with us today. Michael Muggeridge is an art and creativity solutions persons for humanity. And he's going to be sharing a little bit of history today. But he has an incredible story to tell about how he dealt with some difficulties in his life and managed to get through those, and then has something to teach us about humanity and about how we can reach our human potential. So Michael, welcome to Beyond adversity. Thanks for being with us today.Michaell Magrutsche:
Thanks, Brad, I appreciate the blank canvas as an artist, I appreciate it the blank canvas,Dr. Brad Miller:
Awesome, well, we'll, we'll talk about that. But in your blank canvas, it kind of started in a way with some challenges you had as a child and with other things in your life. Tell us a bit about some of the set the framework of your life in terms of some of the things that you've had to deal with that then kind of set the stage for what you do now.Michaell Magrutsche:I was born in:Dr. Brad Miller:
a major factor in your education, I'm sure.Michaell Magrutsche:
Oh, my God, I can't, if I write something down, you know, our notes that I have, if I look at them in our I cannot, I cannot decipher what that was. I if I don't remember what I wrote, you know, that I wrote, let's say about a cube, I would not know that this this word is called cube, you know, or is named, I couldn't recognize it. So yeah, it's not a big deal. I mean, I'm not suffering from dysgraphia. That that's that you know that dyslexia is hard, because I really need to listen 100 times to say certain things to comprehend the gist of it, to bring it from a system knowledge to wisdom, basically, in my situation forced me to be outside of systems, because it couldn't be educated couldn't you know, so I had to teach classes I was always speak of the class, but I had to repeat them. Because I couldn't, I couldn't have system requirements. And my whole life. I did a lot of things I worked with Robert Evans, who did the Godfather love story in Chinatown, I produced with him, I was Arts Commission of Newport Beach. So it's not like I wrote five books, I have my own my own podcast as part of art. So I'm doing things, but it has to be in my cadence, I have to be understanding what I'm doing. I can't be pushed in, I can't be pushed into a job, I can do the job. But it's very hard for me to do. I mean, I worked 16 hours for three months, you know, two years ago. But But I, I have to really understand what I'm doing. Dan, I can focus and really comprehend yourDr. Brad Miller:
early childhood and all this aspects impacted how you do things, you're supposed to develop your own system, your own way of doing things that was not conforming, with school, or other things that were happening around you, is to develop your own way. You had to take some of your own actions to break free from the expectations that you that had around you. So tell us a bit more about that. I'm really interested, Michael, in actions that you've taken throughout your life that may have been a little bit out of the norm, that kind of broke some patterns, whether it was an education or and you're growing up or in your livelihood, in the arts or in everything else where you kind of broke a pattern to set some directions there tells what some actions that you've taken.Michaell Magrutsche:
So so I was not aware. The thing is when because we are herd animals, right? Humans. So when the herd says yellow, life is yellow, you can say life is blue. Because the life is yellow, and as a part in you, I call it the third superpower of humans, adaptability that we can adapt to things otherwise we can survive a Tiger Cage for three years. You know, we can adapt with tremendous in adapting So most of us systems wouldn't work because people wouldn't adapt to it. Because, you know, everybody's showing individuality unique, that to fit in, and I wasn't aware of that I was not. I mean, I'm comprehending that now. But it took me till 35. When I wrote my resumes that I say that I say, Oh my God, all my jobs were created for an artist. But I did art since I'm six years old, I did art that kept me sane and kept me not going in drugs and kill myself and whatever. So I saw with 35, I'm like, I'm an artist. And then I looked back, and I said, Oh, my God, six years old. I started, you know, I played instruments, this, this, this, this, and then I'm a DJ. And then I did produce fashion shows, and everything was done with advertising, television. Everything I did was creative. So I in 35, first of all, when I got conscious, I have a guy, that when he becomes conscious, it changes right away. He because he understands it. He says, okay,Dr. Brad Miller:
but was there a particular Was there a particular event that happened at age 35? Michael, was there some moment or just gonna have a realization, no.Michaell Magrutsche:
A realization be getting out. That was a moment that the right job, okay. And so the advantage was new job writing resume, looking at my old resumes, and then comprehending because I tried to be an artist that tried to be a painter. I hacked exhibition. But I was waiting, obviously, like everybody that the system says, You are a painter, you're a plumber, you are that. And I couldn't have that happen. And and when I was 35, I said, I don't care what anybody says, I know that number one, I that's all I did. And number two, I realized that was the second revelation. It always brought me back that I felt humane listening to music, right? Making music, painting, it always felt I It's okay to be alive. SoDr. Brad Miller:
you had an awareness, you had a consciousness moment you had you went for kind of a, for lack of a better term kind of an unconsciousness, or a lack of awareness, to a new awareness, a new consciousness. And I know one of the things did you say that we kind of have a consciousness crisis going on? In our world right now? Is this kind of what went on with you your consciousness crisis moment? And then you you had her aha moment, you went from there. And now you see this another in our world right now?Michaell Magrutsche:
Yeah, it seeps in a brand, it seeps in, it seeps in. It's like, I don't believe that. Because I say on the other side of systems are humans too. So we just built the system is for me a double sided mirror that you can see through halfway, but you all distort it. So everybody's distorted. And because of the distortion, we distorted our number one systems didn't create humans or nature, right? So logically, just if you think from one thought to another, not not not out, you don't need to be deep spiritual or anything? Is it? How can we put ourselves under a system submit to something that we created, it's almost like you start talking to a doll that you created, you created an artist you paid it off? So talk into it, and then say, you know, how do I do the this accounting system problem that I do? And that's what I feel. Because when you think in the first five months, 80,000 soldiers in Ukraine died. I mean, I mean, we submit, and what I think these extremes do is, they just make us realize our limitlessness that we have, on one hand, we have apple and Nike and Great Great Gate states, you know, even if you're saying, hey, California is great, or whatever, or using Switzerland's great, these are all systems, it just shows us the range of systems that we have, and that humans can adapt it where do I fit in, for example, I didn't fit in for me, it was harder to be in Europe. And I knew I just moved here when I was 18. And knew that itDr. Brad Miller:
changed, that was one of the actions you took is you you changed your your, your location. And you chose you to do that. And that's part of what I'm after here. But some of the things that you did to develop your own sense of consciousness and that that's awesome. Was there was there anything Michael here that was kind of, you know, you're an artist, you're a musician, and that means you got to go deep, you know, that's the artist and musician. I know the creative types. Go deep. Tell me about any aspect of this that you had to get somehow connected to something beyond beyond yourself greater than some talk about anything. Some people call it a spiritual life or meditation things of this nature. Tell you about any aspects of this which was informed your sense of have come into consciousness.Michaell Magrutsche:
So first, so this is my theory that is that I know now I'm not a therapist or anything, I just did this map observation. The observation was this. When you create art, you have any given inspiration, right? You're looking at a color, you're looking at a figure, you listen to music, I'm looking at you and say, okay, and he's, you know, his face for some reason, I don't know, it inspires me to do this or that, right? And so I'm gonna say, so what am I going to do with Brad? What am I doing with that face? That inspires me so much? I don't know why I have no clue. There's no, but it inspires me. So I'm gonna paint I'm saying what is his color, okay, his color is yellow. And I'm putting a yellow on the thing. It doesn't even look like you, but inspires me. So I'm going into communication with the unseen self, with my unseen self, and going back and forth. And what there is, is I cannot think if I want to say, Okay, I want to put bread on a canvas, or in a music piece, I cannot think about, oh, it's my wife, now that you have made dinner for me to I need to get my so you can't, you have to be very present, very focused in the moment, and it pushes you in it, you can't go, Oh, he is inspiring me and I'm going somewhere else,Dr. Brad Miller:
there's a connection between yourself your own experience is your own life force, and so on the subject, your subject you're observing it is and the unseen force, the the spiritual life, whatever we want to call it, but then they sum up, I would say, how do you self, the higher self that comes into play, then that helps form your expression of that, whether it's on canvas or music or whatever, then that others can enjoy it, or at least deal with it or be refreshed, reflect with it is this anywhere near accurate of kind of your process thatMichaell Magrutsche:
you got your accurate except I'm not gonna think about the other people, when you're an artist, you're not thinking about the other people, it's almost like theyDr. Brad Miller:
do experience it, if you put that painting or whatever, in an art gallery, then they somehow experienced your expression of the other of the three elements, the your subject, yourself and the unseen force.Michaell Magrutsche:
Exactly. And basically, what I say what I call art, I call art, let's say you are not the inspiration, I just want to create some art, make it simpler. So we all live to so me and my higher self or a god or matrix or universe or whatever. So we are conversing. And I'm trying this. And I said, it starts with YOU are the total King, you are the physical me is the total king of the creation at the beginning, you decide what gets on this canvas, you decide what instrument you want to hear which key, then sooner or later you add to it, you change to it, you haven't conversation with that higher self, you go back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. And all of a sudden, you have further you build something, and then it pivots that it takes over. It takes over, you didn't know I can put the green dots on that right corner, because it wouldn't fit. But I blue one would fit or I wouldn't know, though, that fits, so you would know what it is. So it takes over. And then the viewer on the other side, the guy that buys it buys, the picture that resonates with that picture, is looking at the picture, and he recognizes my conversation with myself. And that's why you have people paying a million dollars for a wing of a museum and another way a million dollars to look at the electricity. So what have you so because you see you recognize it, and that's how weDr. Brad Miller:
so what I'm hearing you say is there's a synergy or that happens here. And all is that sometimes when you're creating art, you almost don't and you get in kind of the zone, I'll just use that terminology for lack of a better word. Like you kind of almost don't even know what you're doing it kind of comes automatically flows out and then the experience of it all flows to other people. Is that a fair assessment, that when you get going, something starts to flow.Michaell Magrutsche:
I think what what you want to get, get out of it, what you've and I can give a verse to it. So what you find you become a wisdom, wisdom, like when you walk around them. You know, you're in the fountain, there's a fountain, there's sunshine, and you see your little nephew and walk him around and all of a sudden you discover the rainbow. That's an experience that an artist has. He doesn't know if anything comes in because art doesn't have a limitation art wants to be created and exposed. That's all At once, it doesn't say, hey, during the a million viewers, you need a million dollars to get for it. It wants to be just created. And there's no reason or whatever, there's nothing. That's what I'm saying, this helps us so much to get to humanity outside of systems. Because I learned everything from our everything. I mean, literally or from other human beings, but I,Dr. Brad Miller:
because you already mentioned how the experience with you with your learning disabilities, or whatever you call them, were a factor and kind of traditional educational systems. So you said you learned everything from art, and from other people, which was a deeper experience as well. But you've used the word a few times here, Michael of wisdom. And I love that. And I want you to go there with me for a minute about wisdom. But what have you learned about all these excuses? You learned so much from art? What have you learned? And how does it change your life now and how you do life? So what is it? How does that manifest your wisdom headed? How does it manifest itself? In your practices, your habits, your daily life? Tell me what about the impact of wisdom on you?Michaell Magrutsche:
For example, I think wisdom is the knowledge that is timeless, that's outside of time and space. Wisdom is something that applies to all humans. Because if it doesn't look, the first of all wisdom, you can't write down, you can just give guideposts in knowledge. And, and what you feel is the Wisdom, what you know, and you can listen to a quote from very smart people, you can listen to this quote, and what happens wisdom to explain wisdom. It's your law, read that quote over and over, or the Bible, you read or study something. And boom, all of a sudden, it makes all the sense it does. And, and it gives a truce that is further than it's out of time. Auto space affects every human. It's like, for example, that I said, It's experiential. So when you walk around the fountain, and its sun is shining, and you show your nephew, and you find the rainbow, there is no guarantee you'll find the rainbow. But if you walk around, you know, your trust that it will come you trust that, that and then and his he can then show this to his kids. So it's not like that's over. You know, now we do iPhones this way. In two months, or two years, or 10 years we do I found a different way. The wisdom is experienced humanity in the moment, and it's repeatable. So for example, the seasons in nature, because, okay, there is no seasons now there are seasons because systems work 24/7 Right. So, so wisdom is, hey, a human needs to sleep. And you know, that is a millions and millions of humans. No, no, I only need four hours of sleep and whatever we need to go in balance. And a power doesn't mean I have power over you. Wisdom is for example, that if I freak out right now, you will have the inherent tools to take care of me to you know, the shot off the thing, or whatever you feel in that moment. And if the same thing with you, if you attack me right now, I have the inherent tools. That's what wisdom is. It's not my father didn't show me. I mean, it's not a logic thing, hey, somebody yells at you, you hit him.Dr. Brad Miller:
That's, that's for you. Wisdom is not only not only the accumulated accumulated knowledge and experience is how you adapt to it and apply it to your life and circumstances that make some sense. And also how you then also it sets the stage for your, your expectations of moving forward and how you share them with with other people. And it's so you then make us a part of your life to be the creative life. So tell me about the creative life because not everybody is intuitively creative. And I believe that you believe that people can be or can learn this. You thinkMichaell Magrutsche:
I think everybody is bred I'm sorry that I don't do it. ButDr. Brad Miller:
everybody thinks they are. I agree with you. Because that's what I'm that's what I'm good with you. And I think what you're trying to teach me and teach others is that everybody can be creative. Not everybody thinks that they are, but everybody can be so what are the things that you teach and you're about to help people to discover that creative part of themselves and to express that.Michaell Magrutsche:
Okay, so I have often like you, I don't even hear that anymore, because I think I've so much talked about it, but I don't. But there is people that came to me when they liked my paintings or whatever, and talked to me and said, Yeah, how did you do this and whatever. And how did you find that out and whatever. I am a businessman. I'm not really an artist. And that's it. If you are relevant in this world in any way or shape or form, janitor, businessman, fire man, whatever you use you Your creativity, you created this podcast. You created it. You didn't copy and other podcasts it and perhaps you take inspiration or whatever you created it, you would be nothing if you weren't crave it. That's why I say if they don't believe it, it's the one thing but I say it everybody is an inherent muscle in us looking at our world. Oh, well what would be in our world without creativity? This is the insanity. We are so creative and limitless. We create this world. But then we say Okay, forget artists because 95 to 97% of artists worldwide up for right. And what are we killing? In the first time when we have a war? We destroy Syria? Daily bond? Ukraine, what do we destroy? Culture? Good, howDr. Brad Miller:
tragic. That's a tragic.Michaell Magrutsche:
No, that's why I want to that's why I want to put an addendum to the freedom of speech of its human rights. And also say freedom of expression and cultural goods because I don't, because humans need to have reference points. You neither and not because Oh, you are Jewish, you were Syrian, you are whatever. Now I don't care about this about human anyway, these separations, system separation, but I want to know, okay, why do we have to buy political correctness, they cost system separated us, divided us. And we took that on with our editability we just took that on and say, okay, all blanks are bad, all Jews are bad. All this is bad. And we said that, because we assume adaptable, we say hey, everybody says it must be a true sinner. You know, there's no, there's no you know, where there's smoke, there's fire. And that's, that's conditioning that is conditioning we you're born and do a walk in on an on an escalator. And you you were in Macy's and you're seeing the world.Dr. Brad Miller:
You're touching some interesting, interesting points here, Michael, what you kind of describe a little bit as some man made constructs or systems, you know, where this racism or war and, you know, economic distress and all kinds of things going on in the world, which are bad news, almost universally understood as bad news, and yet people still do them. And what I'm hearing you say is our something about creativity, and art is basically a superpower that if applied, can speak to the social ills. Do you believe that? And if so, what are some examples? What are some ways that that can happen?Michaell Magrutsche:what does the CEO do it after:Dr. Brad Miller:
to help us to define ourselves and this just puts kind of set this scenario for you. You know, I've spent I've spent about 40 years as a as a pastor of a church and I've dealt with people in difficult circumstances death of a loved one. Yeah. You know, devastating depression, divorces that ruin people. Disease, you know, the crisis among other things. Bankruptcy, you know, all kinds of things people have had to deal with. It's been Yeah, I'm me do I mean? Yeah, join the club, I'm gonna, what I'm trying to say is devastating adversity hits almost everybody one time or another. But it's an interesting to me to observe how sometimes people respond to that sometimes people respond to devastating adversity by just going into shell and just, you know, getting going to pull the covers over their head and just spiraling down. And that's, that's what I'm trying to do in my podcast and my teaching to help people to navigate through that. And other people go to therapy and other people deal with, through friendship, or some people deal with it in destructive ways, you know, substance abuse, whatever. But there's some people I've seen Michael and see what your experience is, have dealt with it by a real change of nature, they might start not only listening to music that was important to them, but they might try to write something, or sing something or they might go into do they may pick up art that they haven't done in a long time, or maybe since they were a kid, or maybe they do poetry or write or something like that. And sometimes they struggle with it, but they find it as a part of therapy. You know, it's even art therapy and music therapy, things like it is it is. Yeah, speak to that about what are some if your head is person in your life, or someone who had some devastating thing happened, they want to use art in order to help process and move this. What kind of coaching or guidance might you just nudge them towards?Michaell Magrutsche:
You said something very interesting. You said, you know, some people get strong as some bad people get get weak, get weaker, or they're self destructive. And I think that's one lie. We humans need to tell and a story they need to tell that life is not just sunshine, that in when we say that, but we get 24/7 system say hey, life should be sunshine, if it's not, we have a pill, we have a Ferrari, we have a face job, you know. And I think that's what, and that's why I love that your name adversity, because life is adversity because you wouldn't know sunshine, if it was never raining, you know? You need to have both.Dr. Brad Miller:
You have to name it in order to get beyond it.Michaell Magrutsche:
Exactly, exactly. I mean, and then what I think you said to me, what was the question you said?Dr. Brad Miller:
What would? How would you help people, someone who's had a devastating thing happened to them, let's say they their spouse died. And maybe they want to somehow deal with it by writing a poem to their spouse, let's just say that, or maybe singing a song? How would you help guide them or direct them towards how they can now express themselves? Through art,Michaell Magrutsche:
because we are so different, everybody has to find that for themselves of what feels good, you know. So if they say I want to poem I want to draw something. I want to sing something. It's dependent on because we are so individuals, but I can tell the people your listeners, the function in it, because you have nobody that gives you feedback, like a society that says, Oh, my God, horrible, your husband died, you know, because we are not open to death. For example, it's just a stage, you know, but we just, you know, we just think, oh, it's horrible. You went to bankruptcy. Oh, my God. Brett, Michael, you guys, you're crazy. You know. And that's keeps you shaming in shame, in shame and constant shame. So you, you're not only that's the feedback, and you're an adaptable animal, and now you start shaming yourself. So when Yeah, get you out of this without any requirements. I'm saying. Just take a canvas, just take a piece of paper and a pencil and just let come out what comes out lecturesDr. Brad Miller:
and permission permission to let it come out. Right, exactly. Yes.Michaell Magrutsche:
And, and also, watch it observe what comes out. Do you want to do after your husband died? Dark stuff? I tell you one thing, I did a series I had the biggest pain I had set aside to nerf infection like 20 years ago or whatever. I had the most pain I took they gave me all these super pills, and nothing helped. I paint it and it took my mind away. And it put me in the moment and I could release that pain. And when you look at the paintings, they look like Mirova or Picasso very happy kala or I have no clue that I created something intensest thing. So literally I couldn't saw that can be any more literal.Dr. Brad Miller:
That's exactly what I'm talking about here how people if they choose to, can use the arts, in order to navigate or move through these situations, I sometimes call it a wilderness experience. And yeah, that's what you you can do. Tell us about a time, Michael, where maybe you have worked with someone, either yesterday or someMichaell Magrutsche:
PTSD. So PTSD, the people, I would say, you know, if you come, first of all, I think only very good people go into war, soldiers become soldiers, because it's a natural, very good to help the tribe to protect the tribe, you know, to be here for humanity. So that's perfect. And they get into a system, and it goes completely destroyed. And as you know, when they come back, nobody cares for them. Nobody wants to look at their limbs blown off. And it's just horrible. More people died from suicide after Vietnam. I mean, it's just one thing after the other. And what I say to them, if your spirit holds on in your body, still just holding on just being because you got fat. A lie, you got fat away, you got to be the big hero and all this stuff. And, and because it's like saying, I give you an Oscar, and all that all your problems will be gone. Nothing. You know what I mean? So yeah, so the people they do this and that they would really not to be famous. They do it because they want to serve humanity. And now they get disturbed by that lie. And they come back and they have to live that lie. And after FOTON Why did I believe that lie? Whatever. So what I say to those people, they're hardly holding on on their spirit doesn't want to be here anymore. You know, they have limbs. I mean, anybody that really thinks about this, cannot even hear that people want to be brave and nice and whatever. And then they get destroyed. So now you're you have this people, my perhaps they don't see anymore. So how do we want their Hey, learn your instrument, paint something you can you can have the census that are here to observe art. Because that energy of me communicating with my highest self, whatever is in the creation is if they still don't see lamb, listen to music, let him listen to poetry. There's so many audio books out there. But you know, that literal era is so tough to do. But to pick that up in between the words, because it's not the words that that trance for sure.Dr. Brad Miller:
But it can be transformative and healing. And that's, that's awesome.Michaell Magrutsche:
find themselves to find to be in the moment. Because if I if I'm listening to you, I can't think about my wife having this or that. I have to listen to you.Dr. Brad Miller:
Yeah. Well, awesome. Awesome. You're fascinating. You're fascinating. Man, Michael, you've got so much going on here. And you've got so much to offer here. And our audience is folks who are have committed themselves to getting through whatever circumstances they find themselves in. And they are looking for tools to do that in art, I believe certainly can be one of those. So if folks want to learn more about you, and what you are all about, and to maybe get connected to some of the things that you are all about, how can folks learn more about about Michael? So ifMichaell Magrutsche:
you like the that we talked, and I actually show it in my free podcast, which is 30 seconds and episode, the smarter of art, the power of art and creativity. If you want to know more about your humaneness and your creativity. Just go through the episode. I mean, literally, you can read all these quotes that I wrote and questions in probably an hour. But just take it at a time just read it, discard it, or think about it, and go to the next this will empower you as a human, not the system, not money, anything. It's free. Just experienced that because it's about this rediscovering our humanity, and that we are inclusively powerful like your broadcast. It helps people. It exposes people it helps people. That's our strongest power. It's not our strongest power to be separate. We are in nature, the elephant is now worth more than the ant. They are worthy because they exist. Every human that exists. And any system can tell me differently. Any human disease that exists is valuable because he exists. The bag on the street in New York affects millions and millions of people. Sure, and it doesn't have to have a job. It doesn't have to be system relevant because I'm not system relevant.Dr. Brad Miller:
Well, it just fascinating stuff here. And so if folks want to understand more about art and creativity and solutions for humanity, you've got your podcast to tell me the name of your podcast one more time with the artistMichaell Magrutsche:
smart of art, the power smart, the smart of art, the power of art and creativity. And the smart of art is also a book. And I've written five books, for example, I've written a imagination that was made, I created the book, I tried to do 300 paintings in three days. And with with titles and everything, so people that have difficulties painting, so for example of the people who say, Hey, if you're on the limbs, you can get the Kindle book. And I would recommend that Kindle book because you can have it read to you too, but get the Kindle book and go through those paintings and those images and just their abstract images anyway. So just go through them and see, you know, they look at the title and you know, I give you using instruction for it, it helps your brain development, it helps your your creativity, your imagination, and it's fun because you see what I'm imagining and what you might be, you're seeing a tiger, I see a rabbit, you know, it justDr. Brad Miller:
okay. That's the book, the book is imagine you've got several other titles, you've got your podcast, and you're going to find connections to you look at your website, Michael m.com, it's mi ch AE L. L m.com. And we'll put connections to what you were all about, at all these things, your books and your your website and such at our website, Dr. Brad Miller, Michael Muggeridge, what a fascinating conversation. I appreciate you a lot for what you've offered to humanity. And to me today, personally and to our audience here at beyond diversity, and we thank you for being our guest today on the beyond diversity. ThankMichaell Magrutsche:
you, Brett. Appreciate it.