180: Overcoming Stress Anxiety And Deppression By Choosing to live through them with KRISTINE OVSEPIAN

Khristine is Brad Miller’s guest on Episode 180 of “The Beyond Adversity Podcast.”

Khristine has a website called Journey to Heal. Through choice, she is all about helping people transform their health and their life by identifying, limiting, and eliminating negative emotions, and to get on with their life of healing and happiness. 

In this episode, Khristine shared how she lived a life surrounded by fear, from fear of life, fear of success, fear of failure, and even fear of fear. She shared how she overcome this limiting belief so she can move forward and create a life worthy of love and success. 

She talks about how she keeps having a mantra and uttering words of affirmations that would eventually affect her mindset and give her positive energy. 

As a mother, all she wanted was to lead a life of example and to be financially free so she can give her children a strong foundation and a good future.

But it seems that she finds herself in dumpster dirt and she faced depression. To overcome this, she managed to get a session with a hypnotherapist and that’s where everything became brighter for her. She literally saw light again.

Khristine proclaims that God is a loving God, and she realizes that, there was such a spiritual aspect connected to hypnotherapy. It’s like the power of the mind.

Khristine made the decision to free herself from a God that was a vengeful God or angry God. In order to heal, she understands that God is a loving God, and is a forgiving God. 

Khristine talks to Brad about how she realized that she was so disconnected from her divinity and spirituality, and now she is able to have deep prayer and meditations and to really connect with God.

Her driving force is her children and she states that as a mother, her role is not only to raise them but to also ensure that she becomes an inspiration for them. She can only do this by healing herself and taking care of herself so she can be the best gift for the children. 

Beyond that Khristine also mentioned taking practical steps, and the first one is “never giving up.” Then deciding to be educated in an area that she likes the most.

Khristine’s story is proof of how a person can change his/her physical conditions if we truly manifest everything and decide to commit to achieving those manifestations. That, the greatest gift we can offer to our loved ones is the love that we give to ourselves. Being the best authentic versions of ourselves will truly help us lead a life of light and happiness. 

Episode 180 of The Beyond Adversity Podcast is a must-listen for any spiritually-minded Christian Entrepreneur looking for an inspirational story of a woman who overcame limiting beliefs and made her way out of fear. 

“The Beyond Adversity Podcast” with Dr. Brad Miller is published weekly with the mission of helping people “Grow Through What They Go Through” as they navigate adversity and discover their promised life of peace, prosperity and purpose. 

Website: https://journeystoheal.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/journeystoheal/  

Linkedin:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristine-ovsepian-0742b2b4/

Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/journeystoheal/

Transcript
Brad Miller:

We have Christine__________ with us. She is an author

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and has a website called Journey to heal her.

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Through choice, she is all about helping people transform

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their health and their life by identifying and limiting and eliminating

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negative emotions, and to get on with their life of healing and happiness,

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and we welcome to Beyond adversity. Christine. Christine, welcome.

Christine:

Thank you, Brad, thank you for having me.

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It's awesome to have you

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here on Beyond adversities. And on your web pages

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led me to believe you have just incredible offerings to people and some

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good things to share with people about your life. But I know

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that I have a feeling that things weren't always just clearly

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good for you, and you had your own dark places that you

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are at. And I'm just interested in hearing about your life, a little bit about your background,

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particularly any challenges or adversities that you had to face

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prep patterns, you had to break in order to have a foundation to teach others your story.

Christine:

Yes. So my story begins with growing up with lots of fear, just

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fear of life, fear of success, fear of failure, fear of fear,

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fear, fear, surrounded by fear. And that took a toll on my life

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And of course, with the fear comes, oh, go to school, get an education.

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And once you get an education, go get the safe job and be at that safe job until you

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retire or die. And so that's kind of the journey that I took on and I, from my 20s, I

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tapped into accounting and getting it was just a job. That's all it

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was. But of course, since from the beginning, it kind of took its own journey. And

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one because my resume was all filled with accounting positions, it was the easiest

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thing to find. And so I went from job to job. And it never got better. I was under the

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impression of okay, if I go into a study for the CPA exam and pass the CPA exam, I’ll

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you know, be successful, I'll take the steps and become a supervisor, manager, a partner

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and money will make me happy. And I realized on that path, as I was

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trying to force that ego path, my soul within was just the whole that the emptiness

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was just becoming bigger and bigger and bigger until it came to a point where it

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became physical. And I had a lot of physical obstacles happening in my body and

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my headspace and arms going numb and eyesight starting to go bad. It was just

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spiraling out of control. And out of desperation, of course, I was running to my doctor

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every week. And one time, he just said, if you continue on this path, he wants to ride

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more than two years because it's becoming physical already. And so that kind of was

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the wake up call. Because at the time my children were very young, they were

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just, you know, toddlers, and I knew that if I'm not, I'm gonna

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have to do it for them. Because there was no other way

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my children deserved to have their mother.

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So of course, I turned to prayer, prayer and crying. And really just

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I was so lost, I had no idea. But the one thing that truly I did not understand

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What transformed my life was the affirmations that I was using.

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While I was driving, dropping my children off to daycare, I would cry myself to work.

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And on the way I would always just repeat this mantra of God, I want to help people

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I want to love what I do, I want to have my own control over my own schedule

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instead of someone telling me how much time I can spend in my break how

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much time I can spend on vacations, how much time it's

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just it felt suffocating to me at that point. So to have freedom over my schedule, and of course

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be comfortable doing what I love financially.

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And I kept repeating that mantra over and over and over and not understanding

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that I was actually working with the law of attraction and manifestation

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at the time. Even so much so that the last year that I that I was in the accounting

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world, one of my co-workers gave me the book The Secret which is the law of

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attraction but that seem like what is this because it's so simple. It looks like a

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book for a child and I thought they were actually

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even making fun of me and oh, this is

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what you're capable of. This is what you be. And I didn't understand the

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the meaning behind of course the secret because I wasn't tapped into that

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spiritual worlds yet. And so I gave it to someone else and then a year later

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when things really got bad, and it was just unbearable,

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I couldn't take it anymore Emotionally, I

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was already so depressed in a sense that I knew that if I spiraled down further,

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it's scary what I was already thinking. So then, of course, places it sounds

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absolutely, absolutely.It was just not fun being there at all

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And so I just started praying and I, my prayers turn into this vivid dream. And in that vivid dream,

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I remember I was wearing a white coat, I had a golden badge with my name on it.

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And I looked at myself and I said, I know who I am. I remember

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who I am. So now the white coat was the representation to me that I'm helping

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people. I'm healing people, but I knew I was not going to go to medical school

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and become a doctor or nurse or any of that. I was never interested in that.

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But then I woke up that morning, and I was still at that time trying to push

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the CPA exam. And I took my laptop and I

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remember it so vividly that I just typed in hypnotherapy. I had no idea what that word was. It's not really respected or known in my culture, or in my religious

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belief system. So but I was so desperate, I was just like, well,

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if I've been praying, and asking God for guidance, then this must be it because

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I have no idea what this is. And so then when I hit send, of course, the school popped up.

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And I didn't realize the school that I went to hypnotherapy,

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hypnosis motivation Institute had been around for over 40 years,

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even 12 years ago. And as this,

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this process just started taking life, and I just followed it. And my first

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thought was, if I go at first, I didn't even think that oh my god, I might be

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doing this, I thought this was God's way of go and get yourself out of

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this dumpster dirt, right? It's when pulling you out. And so I went to the Schools website, I found somebody that had graduated from

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the school that you know, had reviews and all that stuff. And I made

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appointment with her and I said, Okay, if I if this helps me,

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then I'm a believer, then it's gonna change my life. And as I went for two

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three sessions with with this hypnotherapist, I realized suddenly, all the dark clouds started

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to part and I was starting to see sun again, I was starting to see metaphorically

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speaking light again. And within the three months that I went through

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that process, I ended up suddenly realizing that this is it. And the the, what

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I was grateful for was that the school was offering a month free like hypnosis,

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one on one class for free and said, Come and check it out. If you love it, you

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continue if you don't, no hard feelings, and I was like, This is the greatest gift

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that I can have. Because no college ever tells you come to our school for a month or semester. And if you don't like it, you can leave

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So I did. And from the moment that I walked in, Suddenly, I was like, Oh, my goodness, everything

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that I've been seeking for. Because for me, it was beyond just hypnotherapy,

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hypnosis. For me, there was such a spiritual aspect connected to that. It's like the power

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of the mind and the power of, of course, the school was, you know

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talking about manifestation and the law of attraction and the

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connection to divinity and all that stuff. And I was like, This is what I've been seeking.

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This is what I forgot. And I've been disconnected from because you know, when

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we're children, we're so connected to the Divine to God, and then suddenly we

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grow up and life takes us on different paths. And many of us in a sense, although

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disconnection is not possible, but we feel disconnected. You.

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You really were not destined to become a bean counter your whole your

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life. There was, God had a greater purpose in

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mind for you. You did, and you did something

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about it in Christine. You mentioned several things

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here, but let's kind of nail it down just a little bit here. Yeah. What do you think

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were some of the two or three actions that you took? I really like to

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think in terms of practical applications

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people apply to their circumstances, because lots of people

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get in this fuzzy, numb state.

I'm kind of stuck, you know, and so many

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people don't think about it, because you can't. so what were some of the

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things that you did? You mentioned cerebral there, let's just kind of narrow down to

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two or three things that you actions you took.

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and get you on a new pathway?

Christine:

Well, the first thing was that I never gave up. Giving up is not an option.

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We continue to search search , search until we find the answers. And the second step

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was that I actually had to be courageous enough to dive into some thing that I

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knew nothing about, like being born and raised in a Christian belief system, I was

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never told hypnosis I was never told subconscious mind, I was never told any of those

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things. And so it was being courageous enough to take that leap. And to do

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something that I knew nothing about. All I knew about it was, well, wait a minute,

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I've done it this way, and I failed. And there has to be another way. And I'm going

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to try this way, if it works, great. If it doesn't work, then at least I

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tried. I feel like those were the driving forces that

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really because I don't like, you know, there's never

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feedback of failure, there's always feedback. It's never about, you know,

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a lot of us are afraid of making decisions in a sense.

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And for me, it was not about

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am I making the right decision or the wrong decision for me at

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that point, it was like, I'm just gonna make this decision and see

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where it takes me, because there was

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no other way. And that was me trusting in

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really, and the guidance that I was receiving.

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So you didn't give up. And then you made a decision to

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be educated in an area, which was how to your

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comfort zone. And that was a huge, huge thing for

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for what you did, and I love that you did the

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the physical manifestation of that, which is, you know,

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actually going to school. You know, you have to, in order to have transformation,

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I believe you have the number one you say, don't give up, don't settle for what

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your situation is, then do something about it. There's really a physical

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manifestation. And you had the physical manifestations with your illness

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with your you know, whatever connections there were, your mind and body

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your spirit was in your health. Now you were doing something physical here. And

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that's the action part. And let's start from it. Let's go a little bit deeper.

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Christine, you've mentioned a couple times about the spiritual aspect

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how you in crew up

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and in a Christian home where some things of the

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inner life forward and some were not. But let's go

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to in your case, how the, you know, we have the actions, the physical manifestations

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but we also transformed from the inside out as well.

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So tell us a bit about your inner life transformation. I'm talking about anything to

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do with the spiritual realm, or meditation. What kind of inner life did you do?

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You've taken the action? Yes. What things did you do in your inner life?

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Absolutely. First, I made the decision to free myself from a god that was a vengeful

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god or angry god, I needed to heal, to understand that God is l

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loving God is forgiving. And because most of my

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life, I was told, Well, you better be good, or you're gonna be

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punished, you're gonna go to hell, and this and that, and I was living in a lot

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of fear. And so to free myself from the fear was to really go

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into deep prayer and meditation and connect with

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God. And to really experience and feel that deepness

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and that connection that loves. So meditation became, and it still is, after all

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these years, everyday practice for me, I do work to connect

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to the Divine, I do meditation

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to mine and I do this process with my clients every day, because most

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of us have forgotten and it's time to remember again, to reconnect to remember

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who we are. And that then leads to a transformation

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from the inward to the outward, and to gets manifested

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in in, you know, how we sell out like towards others. So let's talk for a minute, let's

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just take take this in terms of it, I believe you got the bag, and then you've

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got your spiritual your inner life. But then the cognitive piece kind of the mind piece

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is how we make this a part of our life. Yes, how we make these practices,

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you're talking about a part of your life. Because before you had the practices,

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whatever they were, you kind of mentioned about your day to day job was

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boring or not so fulfilling to you and lead to physical health issues and some meant to

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depression and so on. There was one state but now you're in a different state, right? In order to maintain

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it, you got to have the mentality to do so like our willpower only lasts so long.

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So tell me about any kinds of ongoing habits or practices or

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exercises that you do and maybe teach to who you

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work with, to help you to sustain and maintain this connection that you have

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absolutely, affirmations, affirmations are powerful because in our subconscious, the mind does not realize

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reality from fiction,

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whatever we give it through repetition is what it believes and

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therefore, as my state of belief system was, so Negative and toxic, I realized

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that well, it's time to do the opposite. And of course, it's the determination

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and the commitment to continue. Instead of saying, Well, I did affirmations

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one day, and nothing changed. It takes our brain 21 to 30 days to make

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a permanent shift and change. And for some people, if there's a lot of resistance

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from the left brain, the ego the logic, then you might need 60 and 90 days

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of reinforcement, but every day, I made it a point to start to have instead of fearful,

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toxic conversations with in my headspace to have healthy conversations, and

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meaning. Anytime my ego mind would put say, Oh, that's not possible. Oh, you can't

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do that. Oh, it's that it's too hard. Oh, there's fear. Well,

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what if? What if? What if? What if I would

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kind of, in a sense, the god side of me would come in and say, it's

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gonna be okay, we're fine. We're taken care of God has our back. Let's do this.

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Let's slowly, gently, so much so until 300%, from my ego chatter, no, I'm not.

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But is it tamed? Well, absolutely. So it's about the taming of the ego

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that we need to that willpower strengthens

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when we continually start shifting the story in the conversation

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that's happening in our heads. Because once that conversation is, is in our

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heads is happening, what kind of a conversation are we having? Are we having

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a healthy conversation, and are we having an unhealthy conversation. So that's

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the key to really address in our headspace, because that at the end of the day is

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our own responsibility. It's never outside of us. It's from within.

And

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when you have those healthy conversations, and you make that a part of your life,

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your habits, your practices, your daily walk, you're part of

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your medicine, then when those demons start

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to come out, I sometimes call them dragons that come up and want to

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attack you, then you got some weapons, you've got tools to use to beat that

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back are so loaded in an appropriate place, doesn't mean it's not there.

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But be when we're when we're in a bad state, we're in a depressed state and things

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like that those demons can. That's when people talk, and they could spiral into

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some really bad places. So that's awesome. So we've touched on the physical kind of the action that you took,

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and then the airlines of spiritual and that kind of thing. And let's talk

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about the emotional now and how you how you then the emotional part,

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I believe, is where a lot of transformation takes place, because it becomes

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kind of a gut level thing. And oftentimes, that it plays itself out in our relationships,

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if we have negative relationships, that's one thing. We have positive relationships

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that's growing, giving thing. Free source, they would like you to tell me a little

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bit about the role of positive, affirming relationships or, or perhaps of accountability,

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parts of relationships, what role that plays in helping a person to transform.

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Yes, it absolutely helps.

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I mean, having the right people around you is very helpful in the transformation

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process. But at the end of the day, we all have a responsibility

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to ourselves to create the healing and the transformation from within we cannot

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depend on anyone else or anything else to do that for us, not a spouse, not a child.

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I mean, for me, my greatest driving force was my two little kids, because

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I was thinking, well, if I raise them the way, my mindset is, then I'm going to have another

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generation of children in this world suffering again, struggled, again, lost again,

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disconnected from the Divine again, and I'm not going to have that and so my

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kids kind of became that the greatest positive is reinforcement for me to say, and

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me helping myself healing myself, I'm going to help them. And a lot of times as a

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mother or women, we tend to sacrifice ourselves for our loved ones, forgetting that

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the greatest gift that we can give everyone including ourselves is to take care of

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ourselves to be show kindness and love to ourselves and to heal ourselves from

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within, so that we can truly be that authentic person instead of being angry

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instead of being resentful instead of not liking our life and just taking the day by

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day and forcing the process until we die. It's to me it's living heaven on earth in

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the physical body. And that was my one of my prayers that God helped me live heaven

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on earth in the physical body so that I don't you know, because suffering and struggle is doesn't have to be

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an Every day thing so my children were my driving force. And of course,

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the emotional aspect of it, the more that my emotions healed all

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those physical obstacles that I was facing even my right arm just having reversed

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itself, because once the emotional part of it starts to heal, your body

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knows how to heal itself. It's always the emotional that breaks the body down.

Wow,

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that's awesome. So you really, really in a real way, you give a loving,

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caring gift to your children. And now you love to give a loving,

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caring gift to the world through

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your website journey to heal and through your book living through choice.

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And I know in that process, you work with a lot of folks and are helpful to them.

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Or what motivated you to be helpful to other people by starting this

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practice and by writing, writing, and coaching and so on and the courses that

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you offer. In that process. Just little bit about maybe someone that you've worked with, you've

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seen some transformation.

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Yes. So the greatest, I guess drive became from the

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fact that I knew what was happening inside of me

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And I was like, if I can help myself. And if these tools have helped me, I have to

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share this with as many people that as, as I possibly can. And of course, the

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other part of that was from childhood, I just love talking to people and people

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always were drawn to me, kids, adults would always come to me and recognize that of all stun me

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to help others just to support others to be a good listener to have guidance

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for them. And now that I had these tangible tools to work with, from hypnotherapy,

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to, you know, NLP Neuro Linguistic Programming, to EFT Emotional Freedom

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Technique to coaching, all these tools have had him helped transform. And,

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of course, the beginning I was an old transformed, I still am not, I mean, to me, it's

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like lifetime of growth and expansion. And we're still on the journey, that journey

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doesn't end with one or two, you know, spiritual things that we do. It's, it's an everyday

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practice of us, just like we feed our bodies, just like we take showers, we

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need to feed them and nurture their soul as well. And so that became my greatest driving

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force. And I understood that in honestly helping others heal, I also helped myself,

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and so it's a win win situation. And that's really been the journey in the past 12 or

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so years of my life with my clients that every client that I've helped, they've

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helped me because there's been so many instances where clients would share their

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experiences, positive ones and negative ones. And I would take mental notes of, Oh,

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that would be a great way to, you know, raise my kids or do these things, and it

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was wonderful. And then oh, I shouldn't be doing that. And I should not say that and

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all of that. So it's as I helped them heal, they've helped me heal. It's giving and

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receiving, you're on a journey together. And you

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know, yes, coach, as a coach of a team or music or whatever, doesn't you know,

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is not only the coach only they are a part of the part of the process here

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and they enjoy it, as well. So tell us about a success story or someone or some

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situation you've worked with where you've been a part of some some

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transformation?

Oh, goodness, there's:Christine:

something from recent? Let me see. Because I keep my clients information

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and experiences so confidential. I want

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to make sure I'm respectful so that when somebody listens to this doesn't say, oh,

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wait a minute, she's sharing my experience with the world.

So I'll share what Yes,

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or no names of course, but

yes, obviously. So, um, of course, recently, one of my

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clients that came in she had abruptly lost a loved one. And she was struggling

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with the connection and feeling like where is my loved one where where's that person?

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Or do they exist? Is there is there a life after life and she was in a very deep,

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dark space when she herself was, I mean, tremendously fearful of death and

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dying and she was like, well, one minute my loved one was here and the next minute

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they're taken, so is this what what is this about? And of course, I not only through

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hypnotherapy helped my clients through depression and fears of releasing and all

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of that stuff. It's it's about really being there for my clients to help them to understand

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that aspect to that our loved ones don't really ever leave us they're just vibrating on

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a different From a vibrational level and so this client of mine while the first session

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she came in in tears, and she couldn't just control her emotions because you're of do

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we get lost what happens to our soul when we're, you know, no longer physically here.

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Through my coaching of course through hypnotherapy, I was able to help her

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and it was the most beautiful experience that even in hypnosis,

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she was able to, for the first time after the loss, see her loved one in her vision,

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and her loved one came to her and said, I'm perfectly okay, I'm perfectly safe.

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You don't need to worry about me. And she was striving to have that experience

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and having to see him in her dreams, but it was just not happening. And that

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day that in hypnosis, she was able to connect and while she started crying when she came

Christine:

out of the hypnosis she said this time around it was I was not crying

Christine:

because I was grieving the loss this time around I was crying because I'm happy.

Christine:

He's in a good place,

Brad miller:

What a comfort and what a blessing and what a gift to you as well. And so you've got some

Brad miller:

great resources here Christine and oaks, maybe similar to this person you're

Brad miller:

talking about have their own situations in life that perhaps if they're hearing our voices

Brad miller:

here today, and you can be helpful to how can people find out more about you

Brad miller:

an what you have to offer? Tell them more about how they can get connected to Christine.

Christine::

Absolutely, they can find me on my website, www W dot journeys

Christine:

JOURNEYS to h e a l healed calm so it's journeys to heal

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calm, or they can find me on Instagram On Facebook at journeys to heal, or they

Christine:can contact me by phone:Christine:

my services to my book to meditations. Everything is on the website.

Brad miller:

And there's a number of things on there,

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including some places to get some exercises you can kind of get some so Oh yeah

Brad miller:

And you can find it all at her website. Journey to heal.com and

Brad miller:

we'll connect it with everything. At our

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show notes at Dr. Brad miller.com