Free Your Dreams (Part 2) “Facing Your Fears to Free Your Dreams with The Mindset Answerman Cliff Ravenscraft

Dr. Brad Miller: 00:00

So I'm ready now, Brad, top 10 to the fear of any of this stuff.

Dr. Brad Miller: 00:04

You've mentioned here several life transition points for you personally,

Dr. Brad Miller: 00:08

they include your career, they include a spiritual calling,

Dr. Brad Miller: 00:13

they include a your physical health aspect.

Dr. Brad Miller: 00:16

So I'm sure if we got a little deeper,

Dr. Brad Miller: 00:17

we could talk about some Marriage and Family transitions as well.

Dr. Brad Miller: 00:22

And other aspects. Financial, we haven't really touched on that.

Dr. Brad Miller: 00:25

I mean, we touched on around all this, but certainly

Dr. Brad Miller: 00:29

that's a line that goes through all this financial aspects.

Dr. Brad Miller: 00:33

A lot of folks out there in our, in my audience

Dr. Brad Miller: 00:36

and in your audience are dealing with life transitions,

Dr. Brad Miller: 00:39

but they are scared to death to get out of whatever they're doing right now.

Dr. Brad Miller: 00:45

They are stuck, or they I like to call it the malaise of mediocrity,

Dr. Brad Miller: 00:49

they get kind of just engrossed in that and can't move on.

Dr. Brad Miller: 00:53

So what do you think are some of the actions that you took,

Dr. Brad Miller: 00:56

or some of the things that were important pivotal points

Dr. Brad Miller: 00:59

that you took a leap of faith about that

Dr. Brad Miller: 01:02

helped you to overcome that fear?

Cliff Ravenscraft: 01:05

You know, I'm really stuck on the phrase that you just talked about scared to death.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 01:11

And it goes back to that little quote that we were trying to remember

Cliff Ravenscraft: 01:15

who said it and who's how it's worded more eloquently,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 01:18

but everyone's going to die. Not everyone on this on this earth will live.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 01:24

And what I think I came to this realization, a long time ago

Cliff Ravenscraft: 01:29

that the idea that if I'm going to be scared to pursue my dreams,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 01:33

I am in fact scaring myself to death. I am dead inside.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 01:38

Because there is something inside of me that wants to be life that wants to

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experience the fullness of what my opportunities here on this planet, AR and bread.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 01:50

I think if there's anything that really helped me overcome the fear

Cliff Ravenscraft: 01:55

by the way, I never tried to overcome the fear

Cliff Ravenscraft: 01:57

The fear, fear is a wonderful thing.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 02:00

Fear is a wonderful tool, in helping you understand there is potential danger here.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 02:08

All right, but then once you evaluate that,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 02:11

I think the real problem is don't let

Cliff Ravenscraft: 02:13

the Bible says don't let the sun go down on your anger.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 02:17

But don't let the sun go down on your fear either.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 02:20

You know, if fear comes up, evaluate it.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 02:23

Ask yourself, what is causing this fear?

Cliff Ravenscraft: 02:26

Is it is my worst imaginable outcome? Is it?

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Is it really going to happen to me?

Cliff Ravenscraft: 02:33

Is it is it true these things that I'm thinking?

Cliff Ravenscraft: 02:36

Is there evidence to support it? And oftentimes,

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the reason why the fear is there is because we have been conditioned

Cliff Ravenscraft: 02:43

to think and feel a certain way about making a big transition.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 02:47

We've been conditioned to think a certain way about our financial situation

Cliff Ravenscraft: 02:52

and our financial future, we've been conditioned to think a certain way

Cliff Ravenscraft: 02:55

about our physical body and our health and wellbeing.

Dr. Brad Miller: 03:01

Do you think sometimes fear is an indicator that

Dr. Brad Miller: 03:03

we're somehow either on the right track or

Dr. Brad Miller: 03:05

on a track that is going to lead us to growth?

Cliff Ravenscraft: 03:07

Well, I think fear is is fear is just fear.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 03:12

Fear could be an indicator that you're about ready to do something that

Cliff Ravenscraft: 03:16

you've been taught your entire life is wrong, or sinful, or bad or unhealthy, or you're responsible.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 03:24

And what I what I've learned is that and by the way, fear could be that your physical well being your actual life might be in danger.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 03:34

Yes. And so this is why I say fear is a good thing I want I want to know

Cliff Ravenscraft: 03:38

if all of a sudden I'm outside walking my dog next to the line in the woods.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 03:44

And there is a loud rustling of of sticks and twigs coming in my direction.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 03:51

You know what I think I'd like to say, hey, pup, come on, let's get in the house,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 03:56

I think we should stay away from the edge of the woods here.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 03:59

I like that fear that, that fear.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 04:02

It may have been a little kitty cat. But it could it could have been a wild

Dr. Brad Miller: 04:07

beast. It plays a purpose in helping us transform.

Dr. Brad Miller: 04:10

Exactly. And I love what you're saying here.

Dr. Brad Miller: 04:13

And I wanted to put into context of what a lot of people I believe are feeling and dealing with.

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And part of where I get some of this from Cliff is every year,

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towards the end of the year,

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Google puts out a list of the top search items that they have for the year.

Dr. Brad Miller: 04:29

And one of the things has motivated me recently is for this last year, year 2021,

Dr. Brad Miller: 04:35

the top search was how to heal. And among the list of the top five was how to take care of your mental health,

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how to stay strong, and how to be resilient.

Dr. Brad Miller: 04:46

And to me, those are all things that indicate you know, we've had a fearful time you know, COVID and other things, but we're searching for answers.

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And I believe a lot of people are searching for answers and the mental piece of that

Dr. Brad Miller: 05:00

As the mindset has to be part of the answer for us,

Dr. Brad Miller: 05:03

because if we are dependent on what we've always done,

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we're always going to have the same results.

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Or if we're dependent what other people tell us job or our lineage,

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then that's not going to be helpful either in the long run.

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So the idea here is to break out of this situation that we're in,

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and you'd like to call it free to dream I know.

Dr. Brad Miller: 05:21

So that indicates that somehow, dreams have been somehow caged or constrained.

Dr. Brad Miller: 05:26

So I'd like to help us go a little bit what are some of these factors then,

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that help us to break these constraints to get to what we really want?

Dr. Brad Miller: 05:34

I like to call it the promise life,

Dr. Brad Miller: 05:37

I'll have to call I use the metaphor of the Promised Land is Your pride, your promise life a peace and prosperity and purpose?

Dr. Brad Miller: 05:44

But what are some things that we need to do to break out of the cage and live our dreams?

Cliff Ravenscraft: 05:49

Well, I would say, the first thing for me is embrace death.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 05:57

So that you can live life. Okay.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 06:01

So you're there's one of the things that used to be my greatest fear would be of death,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 06:06

or of having some sort of illness that seems to indicate that

Cliff Ravenscraft: 06:12

I would have a an earlier situation where death would occur.

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And when I began to embrace the fact that I'm going to die,

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and come to terms with that, that was the first thing for me,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 06:27

that really helped me it's like I've been through this planet now.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 06:32

50 times around the sun, almost in January at 50 times.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 06:34

All right. And the thing is that throughout my life

Cliff Ravenscraft: 06:40

when I was a teen, in my 20s 30s 40s, and and all throughout,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 06:47

I've seen people of all ages unexpectedly dropped without any warning, any clue anything whatsoever?

Cliff Ravenscraft: 06:53

Yes. And that's happened enough in my life to people that I love.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 06:58

And people who seemingly had done everything, quote, unquote,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 07:02

right and healthy and everything like that.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 07:05

I just came to this understanding, none of us are promised the end of the day,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 07:09

I may not see the sunset today.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 07:12

And I'm okay with that.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 07:14

That's the first thing that really helped me.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 07:18

If I could get to that place, then my question is okay,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 07:21

so I no longer have a fear of that.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 07:25

But I still have another fear.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 07:27

And that is the fear of life,

Dr. Brad Miller: 07:29

fear of living or not living? Yes.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 07:32

I want I want to tap in what is this fear of living life.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 07:37

And I will say, when I made the transition from working for the Family Insurance Agency,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 07:44

where I was incredibly well paid,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 07:47

I was one of the top insurance agents in the world

Cliff Ravenscraft: 07:50

I was as far as people I went to high school with

Cliff Ravenscraft: 07:52

I was probably in the top one to 3% of income earners of anybody

Cliff Ravenscraft: 07:56

I ever went to school with.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 07:58

So I had, and by the way, my wife was a stay at home mom,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 08:02

at the time, we had three very young kids,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 08:05

we had just gotten out of 10s of 1000s of dollars of debt

Cliff Ravenscraft: 08:09

following the Dave Ramsey plan.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 08:11

Okay. So when I made the transition to leave,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 08:15

I became full time self employed in 2008.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 08:18

I don't know if anybody here remembers what happened financially in the globe

Dr. Brad Miller: 08:22

in 2008, the real estate meltdown back then, yes,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 08:25

exactly. And so this was a time where people were not people were losing their jobs left.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 08:31

And right here, I had the greatest job security on the planet in an industry that was going, it wasn't going to disappear.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 08:38

And here I am having a dream of doing my hobby as a full time career. Right.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 08:47

And this is podcasting. Podcasts. You know,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 08:49

most people didn't even know what a podcast was in 2008.

Dr. Brad Miller: 08:53

Yeah, well, that's really been a relatively recent occurrence.

Dr. Brad Miller: 08:56

The last three or four years people really have a pretty broad awareness of it.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 09:00

Yep. And so I had a deep fear of the dream that just not not actually Trent, like leaving insurance and going and doing it.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 09:12

I had a fear of having the dream of leaving my career as an insurance agent

Cliff Ravenscraft: 09:19

and going out and making a living, encouraging

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and inspiring people behind a microphone. I had a fear of the dream.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 09:27

So and by the way, that dream was a life fulfilling dream.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 09:31

It would be it's like man, just the thought of it really energizes me I could just man it.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 09:37

Wow, what would life be like if I could make a living

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by using my voice to encourage and educate

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and teach and equip and support people around the world?

Cliff Ravenscraft: 09:50

Just, if every morning I got out of bed and

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I knew that all day, that's what I get to do.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 09:56

That would be living, but just the dream of that.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 10:00

It produced massive amount of exam anxiety, yes, fear and worry and doubt.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 10:06

Who do I think I am? What would people think this is so irresponsible?

Cliff Ravenscraft: 10:11

Nobody does this cliff get real you have when is enough enough for you?

Cliff Ravenscraft: 10:18

Or you look how much money you're already making, as an insurance agent.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 10:21

Look how how able you are to provide financially for all of your kids. I mean, you have everything.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 10:28

And you're, and you're having this dream that by the way,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 10:31

I wasn't telling anybody about this dream publicly at the time. All this was

Dr. Brad Miller: 10:35

your internal dialogue going on?

Dr. Brad Miller: 10:37

All the internal dialogue centered around the imposter syndrome?

Dr. Brad Miller: 10:40

And so on. Right? Okay. Yeah.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 10:42

And so here, and here I am, I'm ready to give up all of this job security,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 10:47

all of this financial certainty, to go pursue a dream that seems irresponsible

Cliff Ravenscraft: 10:54

and unproven and literally putting my family's future at risk.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 11:01

This is the language that I was using my head.

Dr. Brad Miller: 11:04

And also the message you were you were getting either either overtly

Dr. Brad Miller: 11:08

or subconsciously from society or your workplace,

Dr. Brad Miller: 11:11

other things like that. And yes, it is out there. Sure.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 11:14

Throughout my entire lifetime, this is how I had been conditioned to believe

Cliff Ravenscraft: 11:19

it's kind of like that metaphor about a crab that's boiling in a pot with other crabs.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 11:25

And the whole idea is that one crab wants to climb out and live.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 11:29

And the other ones are like, no, no, no, get back in here.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 11:32

And water, this is where we belong.

Dr. Brad Miller: 11:34

And you all boil together. And we all boiled together.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 11:38

That's what this life is all about.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 11:39

It's about us all boiling in this pot of life.

Dr. Brad Miller: 11:42

yes which is that malaise, the mediocrity that I think a lot of people are stuck in,

Dr. Brad Miller: 11:46

they get so used to whatever they are,

Dr. Brad Miller: 11:48

they're afraid to reach out. And so you've done that.

Dr. Brad Miller: 11:51

And now you're helpful to people doing this.

Dr. Brad Miller: 11:53

But I want to touch on something else here with you.

Dr. Brad Miller: 11:56

What do you think are some of the elements that

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are a little bit beyond some of these practical things we're talking about here?

Dr. Brad Miller: 12:03

What do you think, are some connections to higher power?

Dr. Brad Miller: 12:06

So spiritual element that's involved with this?

Dr. Brad Miller: 12:09

How did that play a part for you?

Dr. Brad Miller: 12:11

And in what do you help others to try to understand

Dr. Brad Miller: 12:14

about that aspect of breaking free to achieve your dream?

Cliff Ravenscraft: 12:18

Higher power has always been a key element in my life.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 12:22

And I believe it's a life an element in the lives of everyone,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 12:25

I believe we are all hearing the voice of whatever you want to call it,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 12:31

I call I call the higher power of God.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 12:34

I know some people struggle with that.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 12:35

And so whatever that language is,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 12:37

and I have no qualms with anybody who

Cliff Ravenscraft: 12:39

describe it in any way, shape, or form,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 12:41

but I can just speak from my own experience,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 12:44

I felt called I without hearing a physical voice,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 12:50

there is a voice internally that speaks to me.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 12:55

And it's not the voice that I was just narrating

Cliff Ravenscraft: 12:58

just a few moments ago about all of the other things that there are, okay,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 13:03

there are lots of voices in my head.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 13:05

And you might want to put me in an institution for this.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 13:07

But there are lots of voices in my head, but I call it the mass consciousness of human man.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 13:13

All right, the mass consciousness of man,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 13:16

this is all of the accumulated shared beliefs of my family tradition,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 13:24

my community, my state, my country, and then just of the planet,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 13:30

we all have agreed on all sorts of beliefs about what is right

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and what is wrong, and all this other stuff.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 13:36

And we have consistently conditioned each other

Cliff Ravenscraft: 13:39

to stay inside of this boiling pot of beliefs.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 13:41

And that's the voices that I was talking about that gave me the internal dialogue.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 13:44

and not that all of them are bad, but they're, they're very much there.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 13:47

But there is a voice. Okay, if I could just describe it.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 13:49

I'm going to use a metaphor I don't think I've used yet.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 13:59

But if there's those voices are like the rushing waters of a river

Cliff Ravenscraft: 14:06

that has this potential of sucking you under with an undercurrent and drowning you all right,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 14:14

I want you that's how I'm gonna use in a metaphor,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 14:17

those voices right there. It's the rushing water, they seem to never end.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 14:22

But then there's the internal voice. And it's like a peaceful stream.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 14:28

And sometimes it's like the stillness of a lake

Cliff Ravenscraft: 14:32

He leads me beside still waters, and in the place where I can get some distance from the rushing river, and I can find a place where I can just be very at peace and experience that stillness inside of me. It's there where I hear a lone voice.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 14:58

where there's a perfect mirror image of the sky.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 14:59

And it reminds me of this place in the scripture where it says voice

Dr. Brad Miller: 14:59

Still small Voice yes, that still small

Cliff Ravenscraft: 15:02

And that voice has never, never spoken anything to me

Cliff Ravenscraft: 15:07

that proves it produces anxiety, fear, worry or doubt.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 15:11

It's that voice that says, Cliff.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 15:14

This is what you this is what you're meant to do.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 15:18

I have always been with you.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 15:20

I look at everything you've experienced in the past, remember everything you've gone through?

Cliff Ravenscraft: 15:25

Is there anything you would have changed?

Cliff Ravenscraft: 15:28

No. All right. Has everything always worked out? Yes or no? Yes.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 15:34

Have I ever failed? You know, do you think I'm going to change? Now?

Cliff Ravenscraft: 15:41

Will you have faith and walk with me?

Cliff Ravenscraft: 15:44

I promise you, no matter what you go through, if you stay united with Me, we will experience life like nothing else.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 15:54

That's what I'm calling you to Sure. And so that for me,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 15:58

Brad is what this was all about. It's about being led and guidance.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 16:01

Like, listen, you think that you've been taught to believe

Cliff Ravenscraft: 16:07

that financial certainty at the risk of putting to death,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 16:11

all of your dreams of serving hundreds of 1000s of people around the world

Cliff Ravenscraft: 16:17

that you've been taught and trained that this is the responsible thing to do,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 16:21

but it's not what I'm calling you to do.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 16:23

I'm not saying everybody needs to go out

Cliff Ravenscraft: 16:26

and do what you're called to do. But this is what I'm calling you to.

Dr. Brad Miller: 16:30

Yeah, that's awesome.

Dr. Brad Miller: 16:31

walk with me. And if I see that as your resource,

Dr. Brad Miller: 16:34

and certainly I see what we're talking about here, spiritual resources being so important,

Dr. Brad Miller: 16:39

John 10:10, to live life to the fullest

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and Second Timothy one seven about it to give you a spirit of timidity,

Dr. Brad Miller: 16:46

but a love and power and sofa, self-confidence.

Dr. Brad Miller: 16:50

Those are all important life verses from me.

Dr. Brad Miller: 16:52

And I think people have to draw on something that's tangible that way.

Dr. Brad Miller: 16:55

But what I'm talking about for a minute here for a minute now is in

Dr. Brad Miller: 16:58

how you give that back out of love out of emotion,

Dr. Brad Miller: 17:02

out of care out of a deep compassion for others.

Dr. Brad Miller: 17:05

So let's talk for a minute how you transform all these experiences, all these techniques,

Dr. Brad Miller: 17:12

and then how you your passion is to give that to other out of out of love.

Dr. Brad Miller: 17:17

And then out of that, I'd like to hear maybe a testimony of a person who that's impacted.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 17:23

Okay. So, how this all comes down to me is I like,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 17:29

I know, one of the things you wanted to get into is the power of conversations.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 17:32

Yes. So first of all, let me before I answer that question,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 17:37

I want to go back and share back in the day,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 17:40

when I was having that fear of the dream and not talking to anybody.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 17:46

And I gotta tell you, every time I had that, that inside of me, it was a little part of me was dying.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 17:51

Every day, I went into the insurance, diff job.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 17:54

And that was a real clear indicators like, wow

Cliff Ravenscraft: 17:57

this is getting more and more difficult, more and more challenging.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 18:01

And as a result of that, just without even knowing it,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 18:05

I started to say things that hinted that

Cliff Ravenscraft: 18:08

I might have a dream of one day doing something other than insurance.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 18:12

And soon as those hints started coming out,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 18:14

people said, Hey, Cliff, have you ever thought about leaving the insurance business and doing this instead?

Cliff Ravenscraft: 18:20

And I'm like, why? Yeah, I have why. Okay, all because it's clear cliff,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 18:26

this is what you should be doing with your life.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 18:29

And I'm like, what you don't understand.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 18:31

And I began to spew out all my limiting beliefs.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 18:34

And they say, Cliff, you know what, I've been an entrepreneur my entire life. I've never had an employer,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 18:40

I've never received a paycheck from anyone else other than what work I've done.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 18:45

I'd love to talk to you about what that kind of lifestyle looks like, if you're interested.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 18:49

And I'd get on a call. And they would begin to ask me,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 18:52

What are your dreams? What do you want to do?

Cliff Ravenscraft: 18:54

You know, what are some of your fears that you have about doing this?

Cliff Ravenscraft: 18:57

And let me see if I can, from my experience, encourage you with what what strategies,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 19:04

I'm aware of how you could do this, here are 10 different ways you could make money all on your own.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 19:09

And I had those conversations with lots of people, Brad

Cliff Ravenscraft: 19:13

who saw things for me, that were potential my future that I could do,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 19:21

I was not able to see them myself.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 19:24

You see, I had put myself inside of a bottle and said,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 19:27

This is what life is supposed to look like this is what's responsible.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 19:31

This is this. And the idea of going outside of the accepted norm wasn't something I was even able to see.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 19:40

So these people got into a conversation and they started telling me these things that are possible.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 19:45

I was still struggling and I was arguing for my limitation at the time.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 19:50

But I did come home and I told my wife and I had it and here's the other key.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 19:54

I had conversations with her. And I told her all of the things these people are like in She's like why don't you do that?

Cliff Ravenscraft: 20:02

She saw the same thing. They saw and she,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 20:05

So what happened was I started to implement

Cliff Ravenscraft: 20:08

and play around with and test some of these things.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 20:12

Before I knew it, I was making two or $3,000 a month,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 20:15

just as a hobby on the side.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 20:18

And one day I it became clear, it's like, wow,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 20:21

if I can within 10 to 15 hours a week make 3000 and sometimes up to $5,000 in a single month.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 20:28

What if I had 40 hours a week,

Cliff Ravenscraft: 20:30

the best 40 hours a week to devote to this? Sure.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 20:33

And eventually it's because of those conversations.

Cliff Ravenscraft: 20:36

So now that goes to your question

Cliff Ravenscraft: 20:37

how do I show up in people's lives to help them through this