216: How to Celebrate Marriage God’s Way with Scott LaPierre the author of “Marriage God’s Way”

He is a teaching pastor, author, and conference speaker. Katie, his wife, is the love of his life, together with their children. The eldest child is fourteen years old, and their youngest was born in September.

Scott has written various books about marriage, parenting, and family. As a senior pastor, author, and father, he has been balancing things in their lives, all of which can add to a lot of responsibility, making him stressed and hank shoes.

He has grown up to be an only child. Although, he used to have a brother who died from a drug overdose. One of the adversities that Scott has to go through is the passing of his father last year. It happened suddenly, which was difficult for the family. His mother felt lonely, so he suggested that she should live with them instead. 

Episode 216 of The Beyond Adversity Podcast is for those people who want to strengthen their relationship with their family through building their relationship with Christ. This is for those people who want to make their lives Christ-centered.

Having a great relationship with Christ can help establish a strong marriage and family because He can help lead you to the better path in life.

In this episode, Scott discusses all about being Christ-centered in the family and what are the benefits it can bring. He also shared information about his books.

“The Beyond Adversity Podcast with Dr. Brad Miller is published weekly with the mission of helping people “Grow Through What They Go Through” as they navigate adversity and discover their promised life of peace, prosperity, and purpose. 

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Transcript
Dr. Brad Miller:

Hello, good people. Dr. Brad Miller here with you on the Beyond Adversity podcast.

Dr. Brad Miller:

This is the podcast where we help you to grow through what you go through

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navigating adverse conditions in your life, to achieve peace, prosperity,

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and purpose. And we love to talk to people who have navigated

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challenging aspects of life and have something to teach us. Scott

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LaPierre is our author guest with us today, and he has several

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walks in life that he has had his share of challenges and opportunities.

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Today, we're gonna be talking particularly a little bit about marriage,

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but it also has to do with some parenting because he is the parent of

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nine children. He and his wife are gonna talk about how that brings

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some challenges into life. But we are certainly pleased to have the

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author of Your Marriage God's Way, Scott LaPierre. Scott,

Dr. Brad Miller:

welcome to Beyond Adversity.

Scott LaPierre:

Thanks, Brad. Glad to be here with you and with your listeners.

Dr. Brad Miller:

It is awesome and I think we're going to kind of talk about marriage

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as part of the context also of your life, your household, and how

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everyone has a household and how there's challenges there. And

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I guess got to ask, you have nine children, and a spouse and your

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wife. And that alone is gotta be crazy, my man, it's just got to be

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crazy. Tell me one crazy story out of your household life that has

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to be happening.

Scott LaPierre:

Okay, that's probably a pretty fitting additive for our home what our

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home feels like at times. Yeah, I have nine kids. The oldest is 14, the

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youngest was born in September. And so it does seem pretty wild and

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busy around here. In terms of a crazy story, that's interesting. So we

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had a little time before the show. And you might have asked me, I

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apologize, you sprung this on me. No problem. I'm just joking around.

Scott LaPierre:

You know, I'd say just trying to balance our lives in general is pretty

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crazy. Being a senior pastor would be a full time job without throwing

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in the children. But you know, having nine kids would be a full time

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job without throwing in the pastoring or authoring. And so

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yeah, it's life in general can be very overwhelming and stressful

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at times to try to keep things in balance.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Well, that's what we try to do here on our podcast is help people

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to identify some of the issues that they have, and then to work a

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process there to get through to a better place. And so in your life, I

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know you've had a few challenges, whatever may be either in your

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marriage or in your family life, what would you say are some of the

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real challenges or some of the adversities you may have faced that

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you have had to deal with here?

Scott LaPierre:

You know, I guess I could have mentioned this earlier, my father

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passed away, unexpectedly last year, and my parents, we've been

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very close with my brother and my brother actually died of a drug

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overdose when I was growing up. so then it was just just me, I was

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the only child and my parents have followed us around. After I got

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married, they moved closer to us in California. When we came up

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to pastor of this church in Washington, they followed me up here.

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When my dad passed away unexpectedly, my mom was pretty

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lonely and I met with her and nights are particularly difficult. I said,

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Well, you know, if you want to move in with us, Mom, we can look

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for a place together and so we've been living with my mom as well.

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We had to get a bigger house and we've been renting something.

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We're buying something in June. So that was tough losing my dad

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unexpectedly, we thought we had a few, quite a few more years left

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with him. He had Alzheimer's and I guess one thing I would share

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with your listeners is that often, when difficulties happen, we can

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remember the truth of Romans 8:28, that God works all things

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together for good. Because at the time, I didn't really see any

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good for my dad's passing. But in hindsight, I think there was

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really a lot of good when I was able to get a little distance

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and reflect on I mean, one thing is just, as you probably know,

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when someone has Alzheimer's, that last chapter of life is

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dad to remain with us longer, I feel like the Lord allowed him

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to pass with dignity, if that makes sense. We're getting toward

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pretty unpleasant. I feel like, while I would have wanted my

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that chapter when he's not he wasn't really remembering

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names, wasn't really having conversations. And so it was

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nice. We had a nice, wonderful last day with him. Going to

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church in the morning was a Sunday. We had lunch together

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as a family. After church went to evening service together. And

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then Mom had called that night and she was really panicky on

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the phone. I had not heard her like this before. I thought maybe

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dad wandered off or maybe he wasn't thinking right and was

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had gotten upset or something who knows. So I raced over to

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the house and my dad was lying on the floor and he had

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choked on and my associate pastor was with me and we

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delivered CPR for until the ambulance came and then they

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came and worked on him for an hour but they weren't able

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to save him. So that's why I say it was shocking because even

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though he had Alzheimer's, we thought he had

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sure

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a few years where perhaps,

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I lost my dad about five years ago and he had last

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year or so of his life, he had significant memory loss.

Dr. Brad Miller:

It's a tough one. That's a tough one. Then, you got your

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family, you got your wife, you got trust around your pastor

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on the pastor. So there's dynamics of that going on. So

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how'd you, when you when your dad did pass, and all that

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happened, and you're dealing with a dad dynamics of your

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mom, now moving in with you, other things, what are

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the actions you took to make sure that you kept your

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life together spiritually, you and your marriage with

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your parenting. There's certain pressures that come with these stresses.

Scott LaPierre:

Yeah, for sure. So many times, I kind of think about

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the end of the parable, the Sermon on the Mount, when

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Jesus tells the parable of the two builders, and he talks about

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these storms that beat on this house, and there's two houses,

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they seem to be identical regarding the way they're built.

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They experience identical storms, the storms that that

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beat on, these houses are not described any differently

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from each other, and one house stands and the other one

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falls. And so it has nothing to do with the house itself, and

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has nothing to do with the storms as the one experience,

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less or more severe storms. And the other just had to do

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with the foundation they were built on. And so I think,

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yeah, you know, my dad passing mom living in with us,

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there could have been, these are the sorts of stresses

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that can affect a marriage. I found when I perform

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marriage counseling, that it's often some external factors

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that have caused some of the conflict in the relationship,

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kind of those storms that are beating on the house or

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beating on that marriage or was threatening to cause

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that marriage to collapse. So yeah, it comes down to

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our foundation, what what we're building on, and if we're

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building on Christ in His teaching, then we're going to be

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able to withstand those storms. That's why a lot, you know,

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Brad, a lot of my counseling, and I'm sure this the same for

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you and your ministry, as a pastor is to point people toward

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Christ and strengthen that vertical relationship. Because

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when that relationship stronger, it usually strengthens the

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horizontal relationships. And so when people come in for

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counseling with me, the one of the first things I'm doing is

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talking to them about what their relationship with the Lord

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looks like, what their devotional. How much time are they

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spending in the Word of God? How much time are they

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spending in prayer? I think that can be kind of confusing

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to people, because they are coming in and they want to

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use. Unfortunately, people frequently kind of want to ref.

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They want someone that's gonna say who's right and

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who's wrong. They want you to look at their spouse

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and criticize your spouse when they tell you how badly

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their spouse and that's obviously not helpful. They want

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you to look at them and say, You're right, and he's wrong, or

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They want a confirmation of their point of view.

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Well said, Yeah, defend them and instead, you're kind of

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pressing them about their relationship with Christ. The

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reason is that if you can help that relationship to grow,

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then typically their marital relationship will grow too

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because I'm convinced that a strong relationship with

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Christ produces a strong marriage and a strong marriage

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can produce a strong family, but a weak relationship with

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Christ is going to be a weak marriage. I mean, that's why

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one of the things that I stress to people is that our marriages

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are reflections of our relationship with Christ. So when I do

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marriage conferences, I'll frequently say something like, Why

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do you treat your spouse the way you do? Just take a

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moment to think about the answer to that question. And

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I'm telling you that the reason you treat your spouse, the

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way you do is because of your relationship with Christ. Your

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relationship with your spouse is an outpouring or a manifestation

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of your relationship with Christ, I mean, a husband that loves

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Christ is going to love his wife, a wife who wants to submit to

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Christ is going to submit to her husband. And so it is really the

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an overflow of our relationship with Christ in our relationship with our spouse.

Dr. Brad Miller:

So you see a tramp different type of relationship, you know, between

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the two parties in blue with God here, the vertical and the horizontal,

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here, like to use the analogy of the cross, you know, the cross has the

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vertical post, and then the horizontal crossbar. You know, that vertical

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is what takes us connects us with God and horizontals with other people.

Dr. Brad Miller:

It sounds like what you have or the action that you're advocating that

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people take. This is important kind of duality, to understand how

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people can transform their lives as you get to be an action taker.

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You cannot just sit back and let it just happen to you. What you're

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advocating is just a really recommitment or reunderstanding of

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your spiritual Christian commitment. Is that fair to say here, Scott.

Scott LaPierre:

Yeah, I think that's great. I think that's very accurate. You know,

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there's that triangle analogy that if you've got the husband wife

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down on the corners and Christ at the top, as they grow toward

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Christ, they're going to grow toward toward each other and to

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kind of ask people do you understand that when the Lord as

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a husband, if he Since 525, is the primary command to Husbands

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love your wives as Christ loves the church, and gave Himself

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for her, and to ask her husband, you know, do you understand

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that you love your wife, not because you necessarily feel like it

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at the moment, but you love your wife, because you love Christ.

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If you love Christ, you will want to obey His commands to you,

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and to talk. And so sometimes, you know, people go by their

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feelings or their emotions, and it's like, you know, I don't feel

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like loving my wife, or I don't feel like respecting my husband.

Scott LaPierre:

Well, at that time, you have to draw on another relationship,

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a higher one than the one with your spouse. Because if you

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draw on the way you feel toward your spouse, you're gonna

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probably ignore the person yell at them. Who knows what,

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but if you draw in your relationship with Christ, that's where

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the motivation comes to treat your spouse the way that God commands.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Let's talk for a minute, some practicalities about how to

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do that if you're going to have a strong marriage, or gonna

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be a strong parenting or deal with tragedy of death and so

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on. What are some of the ways that you make this

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connection to God to a higher power and certainly in

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how do you what are some of the ways you didn't integrate

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that into these vital relationships? Your marriage, your kids, your parents?

Scott LaPierre:

Yeah, that's a great question. Like, what does this look like

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practically? One of the phrases that I frequently mentioned

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whether preaching, counseling, writing, is Christ centered?

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What does it look like to have a Christ centered marriage

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or Christ centered home, a Christ centered family, and

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essentially, to have Christ at the center of something is to

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focus on Him. So if we're going to have Christ centered

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marriages or Christ centered homes, then that means we

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can't just go to church Sunday, worship the Lord Sunday,

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and then not look like Christians. I don't mean we're being

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terribly worldly or wicked. I'm just saying, we go to church

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Sunday. And then there's no family worship or no family Bible

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study or prayer throughout the week, that's not a Christ

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centered home. a Christ centered home is one where we

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worship together Sunday morning. But then we also are

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having Bible studies and prayer time during the week. I'm

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not saying it's gonna happen every day. There's, there's

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times Katie and I sit back. And it's like, hey, we haven't

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been, you know, in the Bible as much as a family like we

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should. But practically, if we're gonna have Christ centered

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marriages or Christ centered families, that means we're

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going to bring the family together around the word of

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God, we're going to, you know, when we have meals

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together, I'm not saying every single conversation has

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to be have some, you know, verse at the center of it, but

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that conversations will frequently be, you know, what did

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you think about last Sunday sermon? What have you read

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in the word recently, if it has ministered to you? What if you

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know, my wife will frequently have the kids write down a verse

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that they read that day that spoke to them, and then they're

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supposed to share about it at the table. I mean, to be clear,

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with my oldest with nine children, and the oldest is only 14, there's

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a lot of our time together that's difficult, chaotic. It's trying to get

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kids to set up, set up trying to get him to pay attention, you know,

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don't have this picture of like nine kids and perfectly on a couch

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together, you know, totally attentive to their father. It's busy, it's

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hectic, there's discipline, there's frustration.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Right? So I guess we're just going to ask this point, just out of

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curiosity, are all these children or any adopted children? Is there

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any, all natural?

Scott LaPierre:

Because, yeah, they're ours. You know, we got married, this is not a

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commentary on what other people have to do, that we got married,

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we have the conviction to just let God give us what he

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wanted to give us. We kind of wanted to get to the end

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of our lives and feel like we had God's fingerprints on our

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family. But he built our family for us. He could have given

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us three kids or four kids. He's given us nine so far, my wife

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turned 40, a few months ago. So maybe that's, that's all

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we'll have. But yeah, we just have that conviction to let

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God kind of be in charge of our of our family.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Well, that's amazing in and of itself, my friend who

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amazing in and of itself. It has to do with what I wanted

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to talk to you about next and that has to do with discipline,

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or have to do with how you organize life. You've

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mentioned already a little bit about some of the

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disciplines that you use in terms of Bible verses, the

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dinner table, things like that. How have you disciplined

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your life and in your marriage in your family in order to

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live out some of the things that you're talking about here?

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And in order to have done or to overcome when challenges

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do come? What do you do now? What how do you live life?

Scott LaPierre:

Yeah, so if someone's listening to this, and they're

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saying, you know, I wish that we were doing these

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things more as a family. So those haven't been the

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habit or pattern or routine. I would say it takes time

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to establish these. establish certain trends or patterns

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and our families and don't serve search for perfection.

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Don't think that if you know, you don't read the

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Bible or pray together every single day that that you're

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a failure. I would say you know you if you look back and

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it's like, you know, last week we didn't pray as a family as

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much as I think we should have or we weren't. We didn't

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have as many family Bible studies as we should have. Just

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strive to do better the following week. This is not about

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perfection. This is simply about trying to point our

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children toward the Lord. It's not a performance based

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religion, it's not like, we think that if we spend enough

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time in God's word, and God's gonna bless this and

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totally turn our kids into, you know, the next missionaries

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and pastors or something, we're just relying on God's

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grace and trusting that if you, you know, we put our

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children to the Lord, and he's gonna bring about

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what's best in their lives. I will say this, that if there's

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for the men who are listening, because God has called

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men to be leaders in the home and in the church, then

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more of it rests on our shoulders. So it's nice if women

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share the word with their children. But God has called men

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according to Ephesians, six to be the spiritual leaders. So

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that responsibility largely rests on our shoulders

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and so it's not a wife's responsibility to say, Hey, let's

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go have family Bible study. It's a father's responsibility

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to say, Hey, let's go. Now a wife can say, you know, this, it

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would be a good time tonight, if we, you know, there's

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nothing else on the calendar. I mean, Katie frequently does

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that we our lives are busy and she'll say, you know, it would be

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good if we did our family bible study at breakfast, or if we

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gathered together in the evening, but she still expects me to

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be the one to lead that

Dr. Brad Miller:

So your observation in your approach, you're the teacher

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and your wife is not allowed to teach or is not. You believe

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biblically that it's her place to teach. Help me understand

Dr. Brad Miller:

where you're coming from?

Scott LaPierre:

Good. Yeah, thanks. Thank you. I don't want this is a sensitive topic

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and I wouldn't want there to be any misunderstanding. I definitely

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would not say that my wife doesn't teach or share. When we have

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our times around God's word, she shares valuable insights.

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Many times when I'm preaching, I've said when I was going

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over the sermon with my wife, because I go over the sermon

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with my wife. Every week, there's a there's a family, that when

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our children were younger, that would send two children over

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to watch our kids. So my wife and I could go over the sermon

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together. There were frequently times where Katie provided

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some very valuable insight or thought that help helped shape

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the sermon for me. I'm just saying that because God has called

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men in Ephesians, five to be the first Corinthians 11, to be the

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head of the relationship, it's an unfortunate thing. When women

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say, you know, I wish my husband was more spiritual, or I wish

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my husband would lead more. I wish my husband didn't look at

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these things that he shouldn't look at, because it's pretty clear

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that God in Ephesians, five, you know, Ephesians 5:25, gives the

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command, love your wives, and then the following verses tell us

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what it looks like to obey that command because you can see

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the command in verse 25. Love your wives as Christ loves

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the church. Well, then why are there any verses after

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that, because verse 25, as the command and then the following

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verses tell us what it looks like to obey that command and the

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following verses say that a husband is going to sanctify and

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cleanse his wife, with a washing of water by the word of God.

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It doesn't say that the wife is going to sanctify and cleanse

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her husband, with washing of water by the word of God

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looking to that responsibility, a husband has to be the

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spiritual leader in your home, but it in his home. But it

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definitely doesn't mean that a wife doesn't have valuable

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contributions. I mean, Genesis 2:18, you know, God's

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creating, and at the end of each day, it says, God saw

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that it was good, God saw that it was good. And what's

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the first time that he saw something that was not good?

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When man was being alone, when man was alone, he says,

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It's not good for man to be alone. And it's interesting when

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that occurred, it was before the fall. We generally think of

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everything being good, or nothing being not good, until

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after the fall, yet God looked and saw man being alone

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prior to the fall of something not good. And he says, I will

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create him a helper, comparable to him. And sometimes

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women kind of cringe at that verse, or being called helper,

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but it's actually more of a commentary on a man than it is

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on a woman. What I mean by that is, it's like God looked

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and said, Man needs help. You know, he's an adequate or

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sufficient or scallop here, Brad Miller isn't going to make it.

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They need some help here. And so that's what a wife does.

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That was God's way of providing the help that we need to

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be to be, I don't know if I'd use the word success. I don't like

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that word, but to be all that God desires us to be on the side

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of our wives of that greater

Dr. Brad Miller:

God given potential is one of the phrases I like to use in this

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kind of context. But let's talk for a minute about how your

Dr. Brad Miller:

books and your teaching has to do with helping people to

Dr. Brad Miller:

be their best. You have several books based on the theme

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of doing life, God's way. Marriage: God's way, Parenting:

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God's way, and so on. So let's talk about these books. What

Dr. Brad Miller:

are people going to learn from your books? First of all, you

Dr. Brad Miller:

have several Marriage: God's way, Parenting: God's way and

Dr. Brad Miller:

some others. What can you learn for your books that they

Dr. Brad Miller:

can apply to their life in terms of what it really means and

Dr. Brad Miller:

for them to live God's way.

Scott LaPierre:

Good. Yeah, thanks for having me. That's a question

Scott LaPierre:

that I love to answer. So they are basic Christian living

Scott LaPierre:

books. Their books that relate to daily Christian life and

Scott LaPierre:

the Bible speaks to us about all these different areas of

Scott LaPierre:

life, marriage, finances, work, you know, parenting, and these

Scott LaPierre:

are sermons. These are books drawn from my sermons. And so, I

Scott LaPierre:

would like to say that if anyone read my books, even if they

Scott LaPierre:

didn't like something, they wouldn't be able to say that they're

Scott LaPierre:

not biblical, because they're, I believe they're thoroughly biblical.

Scott LaPierre:

They're drawn from the sermons that I've labored over each

Scott LaPierre:

week, you know, for 20-30 hours per sermon. I mean, that's

Scott LaPierre:

how I ended up publishing books. As my wife said to me, you

Scott LaPierre:

know, you're pouring your heart into these messages. Every

Scott LaPierre:

single sermon each week is like a love gift to our

Scott LaPierre:

congregation, you really, it would really be great to

Scott LaPierre:

get more mileage out of these sermons, if you turn them

Scott LaPierre:

into books. Well, I'm already trying to, you know, I'm already

Scott LaPierre:

feeling overwhelmed. I kept kind of putting her off. But this is

Scott LaPierre:

one way God used Katie in my life, to nudge me to publish these

Scott LaPierre:

books. And so I guess what I'm

Dr. Brad Miller:

Gonna roll around about every week, don't they

Scott LaPierre:

Ya? Yeah, that's always looming, you know, for us, isn't it.

Scott LaPierre:

And so it's very easy to put my wife off for some time.

Scott LaPierre:

But I really believe God used her to encourage me in this

Scott LaPierre:

direction. So if anything, I'd say the books are, are very

Scott LaPierre:

thoroughly biblical, they they're not my opinion, or thoughts,

Scott LaPierre:

it the best I can, I'm trying to present to people what God says

Scott LaPierre:

about these different areas of life. If you open the book, I

Scott LaPierre:

don't think you're going to see, you know, Scott LaPierre's

Scott LaPierre:

opinion, on marriage, on finances, on trials and suffering my

Scott LaPierre:

book and during trials God's way, it's basic, it's not, you know,

Scott LaPierre:

I, it's not how I think people should respond to trials. It's how

Scott LaPierre:

God's word talks about trials, what God wants to do through

Scott LaPierre:

them, and how he can use them in our lives to conform us into the image of into Christ.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Well, that's a, that's also several titles there that can be

Dr. Brad Miller:

helpful to people. I kind of suspected, maybe you'd call

Dr. Brad Miller:

them from your sermons to where you were describing

Dr. Brad Miller:

your sermon preparation process. When folks do that,

Dr. Brad Miller:

and that's great that you put it out there, because

Dr. Brad Miller:

otherwise you're this opens up a whole new world of

Dr. Brad Miller:

possibility for your the impact of your message. So let's

Dr. Brad Miller:

talk about the impact of your messages for the second

Dr. Brad Miller:

here. Can you just share at a time when the outside of

Dr. Brad Miller:

your own family, you mentioned about how being

Dr. Brad Miller:

some influence in your mother for instance, but outside

Dr. Brad Miller:

your own family, either you and your congregation or

Dr. Brad Miller:

maybe readers or your books, or some of the other

Dr. Brad Miller:

resources that you put out that you know that what

Dr. Brad Miller:

you've shared has had an impact on someone and there's

Dr. Brad Miller:

been some tangible visible life change happened in your

Dr. Brad Miller:

marriage, or parenting or whatever It would be? Because

Dr. Brad Miller:

I'm looking for to use the parlance testimonial here,

Dr. Brad Miller:

Scott, do you have any stories to share with us?

Scott LaPierre:

You know, I have a touching one I'll share with you that I

Scott LaPierre:

believe is going to stick with me for a while. I was at church

Scott LaPierre:

Sunday morning. There was a gentleman and his wife and

Scott LaPierre:

their they had a child and a stroller with them and they were

Scott LaPierre:

coming toward me. It was one of these scenarios where I

Scott LaPierre:

could tell they recognize me, and I didn't recognize them.

Scott LaPierre:

It's one of those ones where you're kind of searching and

Scott LaPierre:

you're like, Lord, how do I these people know me? How do

Scott LaPierre:

I know them? What is their name?

Dr. Brad Miller:

Bring me the name Lord. Yeah,

Scott LaPierre:

Yeah, as a pastor, you don't want to be in a situation where

Scott LaPierre:

you can't remember. So this gentleman comes up and he

Scott LaPierre:

says, you know, do you remember me? And I said, I'm sorry,

Scott LaPierre:

Goes on and on. The ledger goes on, I have the greatest joys I've

Scott LaPierre:

I really don't. I apologize, can you refresh my memory. He

Scott LaPierre:

said, I was at a conference that you spoke at on

Scott LaPierre:

children, you and the blessing the children are, and then

Scott LaPierre:

I went up to you after your message, I think I caught you

Scott LaPierre:

at your booth. I asked you if you would pray for us, because

Scott LaPierre:

we were having difficulty having children, but we want to

Scott LaPierre:

have another child. And you prayed for us right there. And I

Scott LaPierre:

said, okay, and I didn't even didn't even remember this moment.

Scott LaPierre:

And he said, Well, I wanted to bring you the child that God has

Scott LaPierre:

blessed us with, after you prayed with us. And then he reaches

Scott LaPierre:

in the stroller, and he pulls up this child, and shows me this child.

Scott LaPierre:

I mean, it was incredibly touching and he said, I just I drove all

Scott LaPierre:

the way here, just to be here this morning and introduce you to

Scott LaPierre:

this this son that God gave us we believe after he prayed for us

Scott LaPierre:

at that conference. You know, that was really touching because

Scott LaPierre:

I believe children are a blessing. The Bible speaks so so well

Scott LaPierre:

of them. And I'll just say this, if I if I have another moment

Scott LaPierre:

here, Brad, one of the. When I say this, I'm not trying to

Scott LaPierre:

condemn anyone and that's the sincere truth. My heart is

Scott LaPierre:

to see people protected from experiencing regret. One of

Scott LaPierre:

the most common regrets that I've noticed from people is they

Scott LaPierre:

wish they'd have more children and, again, that's not to condemn

Scott LaPierre:

anyone who has stopped having children or hasn't had more

Scott LaPierre:

children. It's more to help people not have that regret when

Scott LaPierre:

they get older. Many people have told have told us, we've

Scott LaPierre:

talked about children, the blessing there. It's one of the

Scott LaPierre:

messages I'll deliver at conferences, and then you'll hear

Scott LaPierre:

people they'll come up and they'll be crying and they'll say,

Scott LaPierre:

you know, we wish that we wish that we'd have more children.

Scott LaPierre:

So I would just invite people to consider the way that God's word

Scott LaPierre:

describes children before they take any, you know, severe steps

Scott LaPierre:

to stop having more of them. Because it can, it can leave

Scott LaPierre:

people with regret. And I'll be the first no children are a lot

Scott LaPierre:

of things, they can be expensive, they can be difficult. I've

Scott LaPierre:

heard it said that children can give you some of the greatest

Scott LaPierre:

joy and some of the worst pain that you experience.

Scott LaPierre:

On this side of heaven. I believe I've seen my children are

Scott LaPierre:

pretty young. So we haven't experienced any, you know,

Scott LaPierre:

incredible rebellion or anything, but I know some people who

Scott LaPierre:

have and it's been excruciating for them.I do know that that

Scott LaPierre:

there's a lot of sacrifice associated with, with children. But it's

Scott LaPierre:

the only time I mean, it's the only time God uses you to

Scott LaPierre:

bring an eternal being into existence. That's your house is

Scott LaPierre:

not eternal, your job's not eternal. Your car is not eternal.

Scott LaPierre:

The books that we write are not eternal, that the children that

Scott LaPierre:

we raise are eternal beings. It

Scott LaPierre:

ever had happened this past Sunday, when I was able, I have three

Scott LaPierre:

children, and I was able to baptize with my granddaughter.

Scott LaPierre:

My granddaughter, this past Easter Sunday, as we're speaking

Scott LaPierre:

a few days after Easter. And so that's what the greatest

Scott LaPierre:

joys of my life because it was a real indicator of that

Scott LaPierre:

lineage of Christ being handed down from father to daughter,

Scott LaPierre:

granddaughter, and big thrill, big thrill. And so what you've

Scott LaPierre:

shared there is the thrill of how people have responded to the

Scott LaPierre:

message. And really, the message that doing life God's way is

Scott LaPierre:

the way to go. And your marriage and dealing with adversity

Scott LaPierre:

and dealing with parenting and so on. And, and I know that you

Scott LaPierre:

have resources to share with people, you've got several books,

Scott LaPierre:

and you've got other resources once you share with us, what,

Scott LaPierre:

what people if you want to find out more about Scott, where

Scott LaPierre:

can they find out more about you and get access to some of

Scott LaPierre:

these resources regarding doing lifeguards away?

Scott LaPierre:

Yeah, thanks, Brad. So, my website is the main place to go

Scott LaPierre:

scottlapierre.org and I'm guessing he'll put that put that in the show notes.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Put that in your show notes at drbradmiller.com. Absolutely. Yeah.

Scott LaPierre:

So my my website, scottlapierre.org. That's where people can find

Scott LaPierre:

my books, my conference messages is kind of the hub they can

Scott LaPierre:

find my social media, my YouTube channel with my with my

Scott LaPierre:

videos on my sermons and so forth. From there but

Scott LaPierre:

the other thing I'll mention is my have a free gift to your

Scott LaPierre:

listeners. It's a book, a short read, it's more of a pamphlet

Scott LaPierre:

almost called Seven Biblical Insights: For healthy, joyful, Christ

Scott LaPierre:

centered marriage is seven biblical insights for healthy, joyful,

Scott LaPierre:

Christ centered marriages, and people can get that from, from

Scott LaPierre:

my website, just my free gift to your listeners, and I hope, you

Scott LaPierre:

know blesses them and points them toward Christ.

Scott LaPierre:

You know, you're talking to me about books earlier in the

Scott LaPierre:

books that you feel like God's put in your heart for you to for y

Scott LaPierre:

ou to write in the future. And maybe you've heard this before,

Scott LaPierre:

but there's not a ton of money in books. Most of the people that

Scott LaPierre:

write books, they're not doing it for the financial gain. They're doing

Scott LaPierre:

it for the spiritual game that they feel like, there's something God

Scott LaPierre:

wants them to share with others. So I'm just blessed to know that I

Scott LaPierre:

would write something that people would consume and that it

Scott LaPierre:

would strengthen their marriages and their relationships with the Lord.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Well, good stuff there. And you can head on over to scottlapierre.org.

Dr. Brad Miller:

And you can find it at our website, drbradmiller.com. We'll have

Dr. Brad Miller:

connections in our show notes, and his books and his whole series of

Dr. Brad Miller:

messages about to doing life or living God's way among the several

Dr. Brad Miller:

titles, your marriage God's way. Our guest today on the beyond the

Dr. Brad Miller:

adversity podcast, has been Scott LaPierre, we thank you for being

Dr. Brad Miller:

our guest today on Beyond Adversity. Thank you, Scott.