PTP.033: “The Three Rooms” -Author Kevin Murphy

Brad Miller 0:00
Dr. Brad Miller back with you on the pathway to a promise podcast. And it is a really, really an honor today to have a author with this Kevin Murphy is an interesting fellow in many ways he comes from a corporate background working for city group for many years and having great success there including working with the United States government and global markets and securities and exchanges several things in that area. He’s also in the world of athletics wrestling champion and a speaker and a coach and a

a Hall of Famer in the World of Wrestling National Wrestling Hall of Fame member. And he’s also involved with with with matters of advocacy for nonprofits for the World of Wrestling, but also helping with awareness of opiate and drug drug epidemic says sweeping our country. But here’s what I’m interested in what Kevin, I got to talk about today, it is obvious that he is an observer of the human condition. And you notice things like the relationship between happiness and unhappiness and how and that’s results of this inner life things we got going on here that we talked about so much in the pathway to promise it will unpack a lot of that as we talk about his book, The three rooms Kevin Murphy, welcome to the pathway to promise podcast.

Kevin Murphy 1:33
Thank you, Brad, thank you for having me on

Brad Miller 1:35
it. It’s an honor and a privilege and especially have a first time author of a really fine book, I’ve read through most of it to the last day or so and, and just some really insightful things about the human condition, and about how we can really choose to choose a life of meaningfulness if we choose to change our thinking, and that’s what you’re all about you, but tell me, I’d like to hear yours, right? But let me tell you about yourself thinking how did your thoughts get turned around to you come to what to even want to write this book in the first place. only hear a little bit about your background?

Kevin Murphy 2:08
Sure. Well, I, you know, I spent 33 years with one firm on Wall Street. And it was really six different firms that merged together. And through each of those mergers, you learn a lot about yourself, as well as other people’s behaviors, you know, especially during times of adversity. And, you know, we all have to deal with our own levels, every diversity in both at work and at home. And I was no different. And so ultimately, I started to look within for answers. Because, you know, I certainly wasn’t getting, you know, the right answers from other people. And ultimately, I just kept getting a premonition that I was going to write a book that I just didn’t know what it was going to be about. And I can kept open the possibility that it could be about something meaningful. And, you know, when the idea first came to me, ironically, it was in the form of three doors when they were labeled past and the present in the future. And so that’s what I thought the name of the book would be. But, you know, eventually the three doors became the three rooms as I kept describing the place where our thoughts go behind the doors,

Brad Miller 3:14
it’s, it’s an interesting metaphor, and course, you know, you do you expand the metaphor out a little bit, all these three rooms are under one roof, so to speak, are our life and so we have to choose how we’re fine to, to manage those would get into those a little bit here. But this is about how you manage your thinking, and how you talk about these these three rooms, and what are some actions that you think people can take at least to have an awareness initially of the various aspects of these three rooms, you can you kind of define the three rooms for us

Kevin Murphy 3:50
Sure, will be the three rooms, it’s, you know, in the premise, you know, of the book is that our experience of life is not based on what we do for a living or what we have, it’s, it’s based on what we think. And our thoughts can only be in one of three places they can be in the past, or the past room, they can be in the future, or the future room where they can be in the present or the present room. And whichever room your thoughts are in, in that moment, determines your experience of life. Because, of course, our thoughts can go back and forth. And so the key is to be aware of which room your thoughts are in. And in order to do that you have to observe your thoughts. And it’s that act of observation that separates our awareness from our thoughts. And that awareness is white, all the mystics have always talked about, that’s that divine consciousness, that Christ consciousness, or that Buddha consciousness, or however you want to explain it, but that’s, you know, that’s the place know that we really want to be connected to.

Brad Miller 4:50
Now, word consciousness is really key here, because so many people choose to when adversity hits or life happens, choose to try to ignored or push it down, or to be fine. Some other means to numb the pain sometimes, you know, chemically or through some other unhealthy habits. But you what you’re saying is this consciousness awareness is a key to having some happiness and fulfillment here, and being aware of what it’s all about, and sort of been pushing it away. And, you know,

Kevin Murphy 5:24
apps Absolutely. And, you know, the whole, you know, the key to the book, you know, is all about identifying, you know, where your thoughts are. Now, we see more and more Literature Today, just, you know, talking about the benefits of consciousness minded lifestyle, or, you know, spiritual lifestyle. And, you know, we constantly hear things about mindfulness and living in the present or being in the now and they all pertain to the conscious awareness of our thoughts. So more and more people understand how important it is to monitor our thoughts. But, you know, Brad, we just don’t do a very good job at it. And I think if you want to get better at it, you know, you need to ask yourself a simple question, Where am I? Or? In other words, where are my thoughts? Or even better yet? Which room are my thoughts in? Yeah, anyone can tell you on the outcome, we were you on the outside, but only you can answer where you are on the inside,

Brad Miller 6:22
you find sometimes people sometimes have to have a

job to the system in order to wake them up for where they’re at, to, to help them do with a question of where am I at? Or can something core Can people take some bold actions of their own accord in order to become more aware, I’m talking sometimes people at the major health issue, for instance, that wakes them up.

Kevin Murphy 6:45
And I think, you know, being aware, and they said, just constantly asking yourself, you know, where am I and that’s something you can do all during the day. And so, instead of just, you know, in, you know, meditation in the morning, you can, you can extend that, because sometimes people do like to meditate and, you know, say prayers in the morning, and they go out into the world, and, and all the things have been that they see in here, and, you know, experiences of life, you know, pulls you in different directions, and causes different emotions. So, you know, it’s, it’s no, it’s able to, to

Unknown 7:20
look at

Unknown 7:24
being able to be aware of what we’re thinking and thoughts that make us not feel good, that brings us you know, that can help bring us back into into this center much more quickly. But

Brad Miller 7:33
do you advocate any kind of way to help help that to happen, he personal disciplines or

accountability partners, or anything along this line that can help us be more aware of where we’re at

Unknown 7:49
with, I think one of the biggest things in let’s say, the boldest actions that people can take in order to, you know, implement, you know, changes right away in their life is to install, find a cause that you believe in, and really get involved. Because, like you said, a lot of people have, you know, dealt with, with, you know, trauma and, you know, in other know, significant challenges. And, you know, when we come in, you know, across adversity in those in those times, either we can succumb to them, and focus on on the challenge in focus on on the past, and the negative emotions that that you’ve experienced. And that’s what I call getting caught in the past room, and constantly going back there, constantly thinking about it, and constantly feeling those negative emotions. And that leads to things like blame and know I’m pointing out and it’s, it’s always it’s somebody else’s fault, or, you know, that, you know, you become the victim. And it’s understandable why people would want to blame other people for certain things, or feeling like a victim. But starting to get involved with, with, with causes, and things that even have affected you, personally, starts to empower you to, to make changes going forward. And not only just, you know, in your own life, because of you can, you can take that, and we’ve seen examples of that, where people have experienced real, you know, either tragedies or, or no real challenges in their lives. And they’ve turned around and they’ve been spokespeople and, you know, inspirations to other people of how to overcome it. And that’s the message that’s really where we want to be, because they’re letting go of their, you know, the past, it’s not like they just totally forget of, you know, what happened, but they’re taking what happened. And it’s the perception of that, instead of that, okay, this is what happened, and now I’m a victim is their perception is, this is what happened, I’ve experienced this and now this is what I want to do with this going forward. You know, I want to help people I want to be, you know, you help be the influencer of change. Yeah. How about

Brad Miller 9:57
how about for you personally, Kevin just got a feeling that there was some life event or some some issue that came into your life that you had to overcome some adversity that you had to deal with, I just like to hear, but if you want your story about whatever was kind of an incentive here for you, and writing this book, if there was some particular if episode or issue that that may be helped you to processes this way?

Unknown 10:22
Well, I think, you know, I, I did have a, you know, a, let’s say, a personal experience of adversity and in which probably was, you know, one of the biggest, you know, influences for the buck. And, you know, I, one day I was working, you know, in the, in corporate America and, and, you know, married with two kids and, you know, loving my life. And, you know, it seemed like, the next day, you know, all of a sudden we were going through a merger and I was living in a little basement apartment, you know, without my kids and you start to say, you know, how did this happen, you know, why is, you know, why am I here? And, you know, for me, I I literally stood up on my bed one night, and I had it out with God, I I screamed at him, I cursed at him and said, you know, why am I here? Why can I see my kids every day? I’m a good person, I didn’t do anything wrong, this isn’t right, you know? And then I started screaming you know, what else do you got, you know, I can take it Give it to me. And I think sometimes that that that total you know, release of all of these negative emotions and and taking it out on the one you know, power source that can handle it

Unknown 11:42
that all of a sudden it caused this this incredible calm within me and you know, overs and that’s why I was talking about earlier, when you deal with adversity, you know, you can always find all the answers out with other people talking with other people. You have to, you have to, you know, truly look within and, you know, that started this whole you know, path of me constantly devouring everything I could about, you know about religion, spirituality, and, and really trying to connect with my with my higher power and they own salt, you know,

Brad Miller 12:14
that’s a that’s an incredible story. Because in many ways, what you’re describing from some people’s perspective, you would have been in a pretty good place, meaning you were having some some success in corporate America and some things along that line. And yet there was a level of discontentment that cause you to be, you know, have it outstanding beds, yelling, screaming, and to force you to, to come to terms of what is really truly important in your life. And it isn’t that hit her life. And I just think outward appearances are sometimes sometimes to see the weekend at the inner turmoil going on of meaningfulness and meaning less than us that’s going on. And that’s awesome that you share it there, thank you. I know that take some voluntarily to share that I really thank you for doing that. But see, like what you described, there’s a little bit of that you were trying to do with similar stuff in the, what you described as the as the past room, would you say, That’s fair, when you were talking about the Europe your experience there?

Unknown 13:13
Yeah, cuz I was, I was holding on to things because, so I was, you know, I was better, I was resentful I was in I was holding on to these negative emotions every time I thought of, you know, not, you know, being able to see my kids every day and just, you know, it starts to build, the more and more you build any, I call it getting, you know, stuck in the past room. And, you know, and unless you do something to come back, you know, to come back into the present, come back into the present room and realign, you know, with your higher power, then then it’s just going to continue to lead negative emotions. And we’ve, we all know, some people who, you know, have just been seem angry for years, and they just, and they hold on to graduates and they and they don’t let things go,

Brad Miller 13:57
they get stuck, they get stuck, and whatever, bitterness and regret and all that painful stuff, you know, from your past. And if you choose to, you can just stay in the land of bitterness. But you

Unknown 14:11
exactly

Brad Miller 14:12
one of the things I find interesting about would you share in your book and is that some people and a lot of folks, I think, especially folks who really get into, oh, you know, self help type of literature, and so on. And it’s all very well and good. But a lot of its focuses on the future, you know, major goal setting, and so on. And that’s all good stuff. And you do share about what you call the future room is not always all it’s cracked up to be in the sense of, it’s not always about those futuristic things that there is some things to be wary of their would you share a little bit about how there are some things about the future room that are not exactly where we, we went to be

Unknown 14:55
sure, when I talk about the future room, it’s once again, thank looking to the future and about what can happen, and usually from a worst case scenario, or, you know, looking at what’s, you know, what’s not going to happen, and having it cause negative emotions. And if you look at, you know, long term chronic illness, you know, in society today, it’s one of the major causes this stress, and, you know, if you’ve never had an anxiety attack, you know, it’s, you can’t appreciate how physically debilitating it can be. And really, it’s, it’s from looking at what is looking at your life as it is right now. And then, if your desires have not yet, you know, come to fruition, or manifested yet, then, you know, you can look to the future and you focus on, you know, what isn’t, what isn’t happening, and what you don’t have. And those thoughts can prevent your desires from coming. And so you really can’t look at what you know, what is in projected into the future of what isn’t, or what you don’t have, really. And of course, we need to look to the future and plan for the future. But you’re,

Brad Miller 16:07
you’re just a little bit different. And planning, you’re talking about some of that emotional kind of the what ifs, if I was kind of grew up in a really spiraling down, you’ll place

Unknown 16:16
exactly. And so in the present room, you think of your desires, and instead of focusing on what isn’t, you imagine what can be and then focus on the feeling of your desires already coming true, that’s the same thing that Christ talked about, in the same thing that all the, you know, the mystics have always, you know, sad. And so, you know, when, when we focus on what can be, instead of, you know, what can’t be or what isn’t, then we can start to attract into our lives, you know, all the things that, you know, will, you know, help us achieve those desires,

Brad Miller 16:57
and we start to attract those things, that’s what you call the present room, that’s the places of, of peace of joy, is that that’s what we want to be, is that right?

Unknown 17:08
Absolutely. And I think that’s really where most important, that’s where we come in alignment with our higher power, or, you know, with our soul with that, that whole divine consciousness, because even when you think about that, you go back to the past room for a second, and feeling negative emotions are being angry at someone that you can’t let go, those negative emotions of anger, or resentment, or letting you know that you are looking back into the past, and you are simply not viewing it or perceiving it the same way as your own higher self, because your own higher self, or that divine consciousness, it’s not condemning that person, it’s not blaming that person, it’s not judging that person, you’re doing that you can call it your ego, whatever you want to say, but it’s the separation from your own Hi, yourself. And so when you’re in the present room, that’s when you realign you know, with source with our father. And that’s when those feelings of love and appreciation enjoy all start to come out. And, you know, we can imagine that’s why from the present room, we can imagine a future and it’s okay to plan for the future, you know, and, but we do it in the present, we do it right now. And we imagine what can be and we feel good about it, the joint what what it would be like, you know, if, if I accomplish this, and, and feel that and hold on to that. And now you’re not pushing that desire away, you’re attracting a closer, but as soon as you say, I’m never going to be able to do that, then I can’t do that I’m not this, then you start to push it away. And so it really is, that’s how your thoughts can really affect your emotions, and how you feel.

Brad Miller 18:57
And part of what we’re talking about here. Of course, when you do achieve that place, that place of alignment with your with, with your higher power with God, and that you have that present room, as you call it, that is the place where there is a true sense of purpose in meaningfulness. And that’s what we all achieve and strive for. And yet, we know it’s not the reality for a lot of folks. And I want you to speak now a little bit, if you don’t mind, Kevin, to you, some of these folks who may be listening who are kind of stuck a net pass room are stuck in a future room, or might determine you use your book as sleepwalking through life

help us think of help us process some actual disciplines or actual processes that you advocate that can help people move to that to that present room.

Unknown 19:47
Sure, I think, you know, I have a little saying one word by day, and two words by night. And if you want some, you know, actual steps and discipline actions that that you can do, I mean, just, you know, changing one word, you know, well, you know, during the day can make so much difference. And it has to do with our thoughts. And when you think of your thoughts, you have to think of the two words I am, you know, which is, that’s our awareness of being right. So, whatever we put after I am or whatever we include, in that, that’s who we believe we are. And so too often in the past room, and in the future room, we keep adding the word not. And we get it from a lot of, you know, let’s say either well, meaning folks are not so well meaning folks, oh, you’re not good enough for that, or you’re never going to be able to do that. So we start to define ourselves as I am not good enough for that, you know, I’m not going to be able to do that. And we keep saying, I am not. And that thought produces negative emotions, no matter what is, whether it’s looking in the past, or looking in the future, you know, it’s, you know, I’m just not going to be able to do something, it’s just, it’s, you know, when you start to get down, all the way down to the things of the shame at the bottom of the, of the emotional scale, you know, the places where we don’t want to be, but if you substitute not with one word, so, instead of, I am not, you take the word already, as I already am, then you’re changing everything, even within yourself, you can feel it when you start thinking, Oh, well, I, I already am meaning let’s say your desires to be healthy or to be wealthy, you know, then you can say, Well, I’m I’m not, I’m not healthy. Now, I’ve had this you know, I’ve been diagnosed with this, and I’m not wealthy, and I’m not going to be able to you keep projecting that into the future. But if you start to come from the point of I already am healthy, I already am wealthy and you imagine what it would be like to be healthy and to be wealthy and you feel that now you’ve changed everything that thought of I already am instead of I am not changes your emotions. And if we change our emotions, from negative emotions, to positive emotions, already we have changed our experience of life before anything else in the physical world changed we can wake up in the same day and feel much better simply by the thoughts of I already am and you start to act and feel that way. And it sounds crazy Will you know well, with its if nothing really changed? How can you How can you change your thoughts? But the key is we have to change our thoughts before we see the physical changes in our life. Because if we wait for the physical changes to in order to make us feel better, wouldn’t ever gonna feel better.

Brad Miller 22:58
Good work that way does it just didn’t work?

Yeah, what else what you’re saying, which are in there when you say I am already that’s a present tense use of language, but it’s are saying it is happened It is now and that’s a makes a world a world of difference. And I thinking about now in your book, where you kind of talk about the difference in euro chapter about, about a movie about watching a movie or being in a movie and how there is a difference between observing something and participate in something that I see there. I like I love this quote, I want to share it with you from your own book here that you did you talk about watching the drama versus living a drama and about how a movie we have a willing suspension of disbelief we accept that is not real well, in real life, we did a willing suspension of false belief, a suspension, to believe in all the untrue things we’ve been taught like, really greetings and revenge. It’s a great, great quote there from your book. And just speak that a little bit about what you’re talking about here about how life is a we’re in the movie, this is a real life thing, right? We were part of this play,

Unknown 24:14
you’re absolutely right, whether anybody wants to acknowledge it or not mean we are all actors in the movie of our lives. This is, you know, this is what we’re in, and what’s being projected on each one of our screens. And the movie of our life is how we think and how we feel that is what we project out. And that’s what other people get to us. That’s what we attract into our life. So depending on which room you’re in, that’s kind of the movie theater that, you know, that’s going to be projecting your experience of life. And the other one concept, the main key concept in that is the question Who’s your director. And so, you know, if you’re trying, if you’re listening to the ego, and you’re, you know, when you’re listening to everybody else, and you’re not good enough at this, you better get that person back. And look, what did you see what they did to you. And you know, and so you constantly have all these thoughts. And that’s those negative emotions as such, creating negative emotions, that’s going to what plays out in your life. And so if you want to change your life, and you want to change your experience, and feel better, and have more positive things happen, you have to change directors in in your own life’s movie. And the other director is your own higher self, that’s your inner teacher, your inner being, you know, that Christ consciousness that that we all have access to, and that’s the voice we need to listen to. Not all the voices on the outside telling us what we should do, and that we’re not good enough. Listen to that inner voice. That inner voice is always telling us You’re amazing. What else do you want to do? You know, you can do anything together, we can do anything I was talking about that sort of I am not, I am not good enough. I’m not. No, I’m not not going to be able to do that. All those thoughts from the past and the future Rome, the one thought from I am that using the word I am not in the present room should be I am not alone.

Unknown 26:13
I always have you with me. And that’s you communicating with your own higher self, I am not alone. And so what’s next? You know, where should we go from here, you know, pointed out it doesn’t mean you sit now you sit back and do nothing, but it’s like, what’s next your this is my life movie, I’m here, forget about, you know, going back, I’m not going to push the rewind button. I’m already here. Let me imagine, you know, a great script going forward. Because whatever you can imagine your higher self is writing a new script for your life movie, and you want to follow that director,

Brad Miller 26:48
that’s great. If we follow that thinking from a from a Christian perspective, we can think of the the admonition of Christ I am with you always, even at the end of the age is way of thinking about that, that bringing that higher power that source of power in our lives and know that we’re not in this alone, but we do have the processes on the inner life part of that process. I really think something that we need to talk about here just for a second Kevin is is about the issue of forgiveness. I don’t know if we can move through these rooms for the past room, whether even the future room to the present room without forgiving ourselves and maybe having a forgivable need for nature to other people. Can you speak to the nature of forgiveness and the power of that in in this whole process that you that you’re talking about here?

Unknown 27:36
Absolutely. And Brad, you hit on one of the, you know, the crux of, you know, not just Christianity, but you know, for all spiritual path. And if you are, if you are stuck at past Rome, and you, you just someone did something to you, and you can’t let it go, and you have anger, you know, in your heart, you know, clearly the, the most effective way of moving from the past room with those negative emotions back into the present room is through forgiveness. And unfortunately, too many of us, we have levels of forgiveness. And I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard people say, Well, I know I’m, I’m a forgiving guy. But you know, this time he crossed the line. And the problem is, we all have a different line that that, you know, that that that we draw in Christ didn’t tell us to draw any line. You know, that’s none of the spiritual master said, that’s, you know, here’s, you know, yes, you can forgive this. But, you know, you don’t have to forgive that unforgiving, unconditional forgiveness, you know, is forgiving, you know, anything?

Brad Miller 28:45
No, there’s no sense of sense of a, a, a qualified or earned forgiveness, you, you know, you have to ask for forgiveness, but it’s not earned.

Unknown 28:54
Yeah, I have, I have friends that I went to Catholic school in elementary school with, and some of them, they don’t talk to each other. After 20 years, they’re still holding grudges. And I and I try to tell them isn’t that the crux of our whole religion about you know, forgiving and they just can’t get over and from a from a silly event that happened 20 years ago. And if you really want to understand forgiveness, look at the stories that are out there. And there’s tons of them where people have gone You know, experienced incredible hardship, heartening and pain. And yet, they have chosen to forgive someone in the sometimes incredibly, you know, horrible situations, and they have forgiven and they have found out that they have freed themselves. And forgiveness is nine about getting letting the other person off the hook for goodness is about letting you off the hook. So you can go enjoy the rest of your life. And there’s so many examples of those and read about a couple of those people and say, you know, because we hear it a lot in in, you know, on the TV, we can hear someone say, you know, I’m never going to forgive them. I hope they rot in jail for the rest of their life. And that’s understandable. But then you see something, and another charity where this and the person says, You know, I have totally forgiven them, even if it meant the loss of a loved one for them. They said, and now I can move on with my life. That’s the key now I can move on with my life.

Brad Miller 30:34
And that’s a source of absolute peace for the person who’s been wronged. If we wait, if we if we are the wrong to party, you know, if we’re the one who who did not want to get to divorce, but the other person did, for instance, if we’re the wrong party, and we went around for the other person to ask us to forgive them, something like that, it that’s not just certainly not necessarily going to happen, we have to forgive them regardless. And that’s what will bring us peace. And that’s what I think you’re sharing here in your book is one of the ways to get to that present room is by

extraordinary forgiveness.

Unknown 31:14
Exactly.

Brad Miller 31:15
Yeah, let’s talk about love for a second has a feel for what all this happens here, we were talking about, you know, drawn in this higher power. But I got a sense that we want to arrive at this point president place of love, but loving relationships and feeling the love of that higher power is important here to speak to how the power of loving relationships, whether it be family, or friends, or advocates, or other

neighbors, or whatever, speak to how that can be important part of moving forward to the present room.

Unknown 31:47
Well, certainly thinking about people that you love, automatically, you know, and then the emotions of you know of joy, and in contentment and appreciation that they they bring can always slide us back into the present room, we always in so loving relationships in our lives, whether it be a spouse, or family, or close friends, or anyone can always slide us back into the present room. But it’s really important to understand that in any loving relationships, or for all of our loving relationships, is still always starts with our relationship with ourselves. And with our higher power, you start there, then, then what you project out is so much more loving. And it brings so much more clarity and meaning to all the relationships in your life. But if you are thinking thoughts, and you’re not happy with yourself, and you’re not connected to your higher power, you may think you have a good relationship with someone else that, you know, in your family or friends. But if you keep project doing things, like, you know, anger, and negative emotions out on people, because that’s kind of what you’re feeling and picking up, you’re really not helping that relationship. So it starts with, you know, that one relationship with your higher self. And, you know, there’s, there’s a concept that I have, which which gives a really good example of this is called the internal mirror, you know, we all look in the mirror, and we see our reflection, and then we can see our, you know, imperfections and, you know, we can try to change them in, you know, and maybe, you know, lose some weight, or I’ll cut my hair. And we’re always worried about our appearances. But what if you can look into a mirror and see reflected back to you what you are like, on the inside,

Unknown 33:42
because all mirrors reflect back to what you’re like on the outside. But what if you can look in and now you can see know exactly how you’re in the inside now, would you see love and peace and compassion? Where would you see bitterness or anger, anger or resentment. And that’s what you feel that’s being reflected back to you. So if you look in a mirror, and you think of it as an internal mirror, ask yourself, what’s being reflected back to you? How do you feel, and that’s really where you have to start. And if you’re feeling love, and appreciation and gratitude, think of how amazing now your quote, loving relationships are going to be, they’re going to be so much more powerful. But if you’re looking in that internal mirror, and you feeling back bitterness, resentment, are you blaming others, now you leave that mirror, how are those loving relationships going to be, they’re not going to be as loving as you think they are. So let’s start looking within aligning with higher power. And also getting to getting to the point where we can look in an internal mirror and like what we are getting reflected back.

Brad Miller 35:09
That’s awesome. That’s awesome. Because that really what it boils down to this self awareness we started our conversation about has to do with awareness that, you know, we have to have this understanding of that power of a loving God in our lives. That’s what I like to share that that spiritual force and in loving ourselves, that is the source of everything, all the other good stuff that happens, we got to start there. And some of these disciplines you’ve been sharing with us are so helpful. I know you’ve have some other things about meditation practices and mantras and metal stickers that you’ve talked about in your in your book, and that are helpful to I just what I’m getting at is I just think we need a process we need these disciplines to help us do these things. And, and there’s some good good tips in your book about that I thank you for thank you for those

Unknown 35:59
thank you very much appreciate

Brad Miller 36:01
anything, the theme of what we’re about here on the pathway to promises, helping folks to process their life in such a way to find their what we call the promise, life of peace, prosperity, and purpose in life. So I always like to ask almost home, I guess these these three questions. And we’ve touched on quite a bit already, but just simply for you, Kevin, what brings you peace?

Unknown 36:27
Well, what, what brings me peace is is that connection

Unknown 36:33
with my higher self, and, you know, I think of it as you know, in the present room,

Unknown 36:39
and it’s about communicating with your higher self, it’s not thinking it’s there, or wondering if it’s there. It’s actually it’s actually having that communication. So when I say, you know, where am I, you know, I just, you know, through the day, and you know, something, if I’m not feeling great, have always talk about how do I feel? I say, Where am I? Oh, yeah, I’m right here with you. And that’s what I literally say, I’m right here with you. And I’m talking to my own higher self. And that brings that feeling of connection once again, like, I’m not alone, and oh, yeah, you’re here. And, and for the movie of our life. For the movie of my life, I keep imagining my own higher self saying, watch the movie. Kevin, I’m right here with you. I’m looking through your eyes, watch the movie. Kevin, I’m right here with you. I’m looking through your eyes. Now, all of a sudden, your perception of people, you start to see through the eyes of God through the eyes of Christ. You know, in in, when you make that connection, it just changes everything you see. And that’s what was going at the beginning. It’s we can either let everything we see in here affect how we feel, or we can let how we feel and that connection affect how everything we see in here.

Brad Miller 37:58
No, that’s awesome. So Kevin, how would you How would you define prosperity,

Unknown 38:06
I would define prosperity as being totally immersed, enjoy, you know, I,

Unknown 38:12
we are all different things about success. And people striving for success. And what is success? I mean, everybody has a different view of success. And the same thing with prosperity, prosperity, it’s not about the things that we can’t take with us. When we leave this physical plane. It’s not about the amount of accumulations that we we get, you know, prosperity is about all the things we hold in our heart and all the love and compassion in those those feelings. That’s what we’re here to experience. Because, you know, I truly believe that we are eternal beings that have, you know, manifested in these bodies in order to experience ourselves and if we’re an eternal being connected to, you know, our source and our father, then what is that, that’s, that’s your love, and that’s who we are. So we’re here to experience pure loud and that’s that’s prosperity to me total prosperity is is that feeling as much as possible holding on to that feeling that feeling of powerful feeling of love?

Brad Miller 39:17
Awesome, they just one more question What’s your purpose right now

Unknown 39:22
you know, my purpose is one is to help other people

Unknown 39:26
but I’d say you know, to go back to not to sound selfish but I believe you know, my number one purpose is to stay in alignment with my own higher self and then I can help other people you know and I do it through other things mean I have you know, addiction in my family and so helping you know, different campaigns to raise awareness for addiction and things like that that that by helping other people by raising awareness I feel good about what I’m doing and so in a sense I’m helping myself by helping others

Brad Miller 40:01
awesome stuff awesome stuff thank you Kevin. Kevin What are you working on right now and how can people be in connection to you have with your with your book the three rooms

Unknown 40:11
well the the the three rooms it’s just it’s it’s my first book I was just published you know last month so you know to it’s available on Amazon and there’s a website WWW dot the three rooms calm and I think that, you know, there may be some other books, you know, in store down the road as more and more of this just, you know, allow things to unfold and and I’ll keep working on on like I said, different campaigns for to, to raise awareness for this, this opioid and heroin epidemic that’s sweeping the country and you know, we have something called wrestling takes down drugs to raise awareness for that and that’s the gist of www. Wrestling takes down drugs.org. So there’s just a couple of initiatives and we’re glad to

Brad Miller 41:02
hear that will put connections to those in our show notes. And Kevin just want to thank you for being with us today and on the pathway to promise podcast. Kevin Murphy, the author of the three rooms change your thoughts change your life.